2017-18 Roster Talk: Part Ten
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deadhead
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Yes, he was a monster six years ago, Filppula was a solid 3C two years ago.
Of course it's age related, Giroux was declining at center before he was injured last year, his rebound is not an accident, it's a direct product of moving to LW and being paired with Couts. And he had that CAREER YEAR IN HAKSTOL'S SCHEME.
All you have to do is watch the games and realize Giroux is not an elite player, he's smart, quick and agile, but lacks straight line speed and size. Against a team with fast, aggressive forwards who forecheck and backcheck he's struggling to find space.
At center, against Crosby or Malkin, it's an obvious mismatch, Crosby is too fast and Malkin too strong.
And then, who plays LW?
Raffl?
Lindblom (over his head in his first playoff series)?
Konency?
The reason people are blaming Hakstol (which is different than saying he's not to blame) is that they want the "magic coach" so they don't have to admit this team is two years away from being able to compete with top teams - just bite the bullet and admit the obvious. Without Couts, this isn't even a playoff team.
Tripod
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TK has 5 shots in 4 games in the playoffs....1.25 shots/game
From X-Mas-End of season 45 games 111 shots....2.47 shots/game
We have cut TK's shots in half with this move all while take the shooter away from 2 of our top 3 passers.
From X-Mas-End of season 45 games 111 shots....2.47 shots/game
We have cut TK's shots in half with this move all while take the shooter away from 2 of our top 3 passers.
deadhead
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The five years the Penguins missed the playoffs, 2011-15, Malkin and Crosby scored at the same rate as they did during the Cup runs.
The year Malkin didn't score he had a lower body injury going into the playoffs,
Penguins forward Malkin struggling while playing hurt
Crosby had a concussion plagued year in 2011.
Giroux was relatively healthy in 2016 and completely healthy this year. His problem is age.
Tripod
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Again...lies.
Giroix had surgery after the 2016 season....or did you just hope that got ignored? Maybe THAT had an impact?
"Philadelphia Flyers’ captain Claude Giroux has surgery a few weeks ago to repair his right hip and bilateral lower abdominal tear"
And Pitt MADE the playoffs from 2011-2015....so...
deadhead
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So the excuse this year?
Giroux played 78 games that year and basically put up identical numbers to the year before, so those injuries weren't hampering him that much, it was the following season, after the surgery, when his play fell off.
His peak years were from 23-26, and I expected him to fall off more quickly than most players of his caliber because of his middlin' size/speed combo (i.e. less margin for error as he lost a stride).
Moving to LW has probably added 2-3 years to his career.
One interesting statistical quirk with Giroux, his Corsi is amazing consistent over the years, 2012-13 was the only year since 2010 when it wasn't in the 53-54% range.
This season he's had an unsustainable 17.6% shooting, against a career average of 11.3.
Giroux played 78 games that year and basically put up identical numbers to the year before, so those injuries weren't hampering him that much, it was the following season, after the surgery, when his play fell off.
His peak years were from 23-26, and I expected him to fall off more quickly than most players of his caliber because of his middlin' size/speed combo (i.e. less margin for error as he lost a stride).
Moving to LW has probably added 2-3 years to his career.
One interesting statistical quirk with Giroux, his Corsi is amazing consistent over the years, 2012-13 was the only year since 2010 when it wasn't in the 53-54% range.
This season he's had an unsustainable 17.6% shooting, against a career average of 11.3.
Striiker
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The fact that you think those two are at all comparable says it all. You're either 100% clueless or being dishonest in the hopes that someone is dumb enough to buy this garbage.
Filppula has shown all year that he's a walking corpse.
Giroux was 2nd in the entire league in scoring and set career highs across the board.
The only reason you're trying to bash him is in an attempt to defend Hakstol. It's incredibly transparent and pathetic.
Just like trying to pretend that Giroux had a career year because of Hakstol is a weak attempt, even for you. Nobody on the planet is stupid enough to believe that. Try harder.
Actually if you watched the games this year you'd see the exact opposite.
Is scoring the 2nd most points in the entire league an elite thing to do? I'd probably say it is.
He carried the team into the playoffs, despite the coach doing everything in his power to stop that from happening. I'm sure that infuriates you, but it's reality.
I didn't say anything about Giroux at center. So no idea what you're babbling about here.
People are blaming Hakstol because you can easily see his incompetence getting exposed in this series. Everything from lineups to player usage to system.... all the way down the list.
If the coach had a brain, he'd have gone back to what worked all year. The thing that carried them to the playoffs.
But he refused because fossils like the two of you don't understand what's important in the NHL these days.
Heaviness? f*** off.
Especially against the Penguins, that's the worst possible thing to do. And now he's doubling down on his stupidity and making the worst possible lineup for tonights game.
Remember how he only uses the garbage players because he has no choice? Will you finally admit you were wrong or continue to be a lying coward?
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i don't know what to say. If konecny moves up that top line, they are still getting dominated. I don't think his presence is going to make a difference one way or another. Atleast if he is on the 3rd line he is not hemmed into his own zone.
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Giroux has the best possession stats this series of any Flyers forward. 57% CF% and 59% SCF.
Flip is one of the worst in the NHL this season.
Who gets hemmed in their own end? I'd rather put TK with the player guaranteed to spend o-zone time and the skill to extract his full value. No one is scoring. Best chance they have -- not to win of course, but to score more than 0 goals -- is that top line reuniting for a couple goals.
Flip is one of the worst in the NHL this season.
Who gets hemmed in their own end? I'd rather put TK with the player guaranteed to spend o-zone time and the skill to extract his full value. No one is scoring. Best chance they have -- not to win of course, but to score more than 0 goals -- is that top line reuniting for a couple goals.
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I have to say, I get the logic in putting TK with a guy like Flip because you hope TK activates Flip and creates balance since G doesn't typically need it... but we're scoring so little that I actually agree with top-loading the lineup (as you're suggesting).
deadhead
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Striiker talking to himself again. Where's the 4.0 GPA shrink?
Whether you match Filppula against Crosby and Giroux against Malkin or visa versa, does it really matter?
If Couts doesn't play, we're a bottom ten team.
And Patrick is playing valiantly, but he's not ready for these kind of matchups either.
Keep Giroux at LW, you're forced into these bad decisions.
Move Giroux to Center, you have a hole at LW.
Move Konency back to the first line and you're a two line team.
Which means on the road, Sullivan gets to choose matchups against scrubs for 20 minutes or so.
The point is our lack of depth is painfully obvious against a team like the Penguins, Sullivan can match his checking line against Patrick, Crosby against the Giroux line (which they've dominated) and Malkin against Filppula and Lehtera/Laughton, which in either case is a gross mismatch.
There's no genius coach that compensate for the disparity in talent.
At least with Couts in there, we have an outside chance, without him avert your eyes!
Whether you match Filppula against Crosby and Giroux against Malkin or visa versa, does it really matter?
If Couts doesn't play, we're a bottom ten team.
And Patrick is playing valiantly, but he's not ready for these kind of matchups either.
Keep Giroux at LW, you're forced into these bad decisions.
Move Giroux to Center, you have a hole at LW.
Move Konency back to the first line and you're a two line team.
Which means on the road, Sullivan gets to choose matchups against scrubs for 20 minutes or so.
The point is our lack of depth is painfully obvious against a team like the Penguins, Sullivan can match his checking line against Patrick, Crosby against the Giroux line (which they've dominated) and Malkin against Filppula and Lehtera/Laughton, which in either case is a gross mismatch.
There's no genius coach that compensate for the disparity in talent.
At least with Couts in there, we have an outside chance, without him avert your eyes!
Lindberg
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Better to be a 3/4 line team that can't score than a two line team that can. Sound logic right there.
The penguins are already doing damaging but you're just conceding defeat by doing nothing. Doing something and attempting not to getting blown out of the water is better than getting blown out of the water. Not really hard logic to follow.
The penguins are already doing damaging but you're just conceding defeat by doing nothing. Doing something and attempting not to getting blown out of the water is better than getting blown out of the water. Not really hard logic to follow.
Lindberg
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Not sure how it could really get much worse. Its one thing to lose (which was expected) but they shouldn't be getting blown out and that falls on the coach to some extent.
Lindberg
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Because the league doesn't have this much disparity and the Flyers aren't that bad? Worst teams have managed to beat the Penguins this season (Detroit, Carolina, and etc.). I get that it is playoff hockey but they also lost every game to the Penguins this regular season. Hakstol has admitted that his own judgement isn't great (not using time outs, not discussing with players what they did wrong, and etc.). The PK is a wreck and has been since Lappy took his job and Hakstol clearly doesn't think Lappy is a cause of that.
Top players do need to show and they need to show up more often not but sometimes your depth needs to carry the team and that's on Hextall (the depth) and somewhat Hakstol (player usage).
Top players do need to show and they need to show up more often not but sometimes your depth needs to carry the team and that's on Hextall (the depth) and somewhat Hakstol (player usage).
Jtown
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regardless our center depth this series is pathetic and causing problems. I just wish we had some sort of hart trophy candidate caliber center. hard to find those guys.
Tripod
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CBC just said "filpula, a 4th line player at this point in his career"
Haklogic.
Haklogic.
Tripod
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Don't forget bad coaching....because you ALWAYS FORGET that one.
Striiker
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Striiker, an English professor at your college should have taught you by now not to use “clearly,” “obviously,” & other absolutes in your persuasive essays.
this reminds me of married people that don't like each other but won't get divorced because they woulden't have anyone to argue with
Kane was a smart choice. Whenever you get a player that can produce on his own it's a always a great thing for your team. Kessel, Patrick Kane, Hall are similar. And just like someone mentioned Skinner in off-season thread, he is pretty much in next tier alongside e.kane.
Think of Moluson and Okposo in their pre Tavares days. If Sharks really go after him that's another smart pickup for them.
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