Injury Report: 2017/18 Puck off the Foot Report (Upshall out indefinitely)

[Celtic Note]

Please don't make me watch Chris Butler again....

I would much rather watch an injured JBo at that point

 

[Dbrownss]

More Butler puts us closer to Dahlin

 

[wannabebluesplayer]

Blues get the 10th slot, win the lottery for Dahlin. You're starting 6 D next season: Edmundson Pietrangelo, Dunn Parayko, Dahlin Schmaltz/Bortuzzo.

OR

Blues win the lottery for the #1 overall, trade the pick immediately for a #1C. Ahh day dreaming.

 

[TK 421]

Good, good....now Butler gets in. That will help the tank efforts.

 

[Ranksu]

Our top6 currently

Dunn - Pietro
Gunnar - Parayko
Butler - Bortuzzo

 

[BlueDream]

If the Blues were smart they'd just play Bortuzzo on the left side and give Schmaltz ice time...

As for what this means for these two guys: unfortunately with only one year left, I bet Bouwmeester plays out next season before retiring. Bet he will struggle through it because this guy is done.

The positive is not having to watch him for the rest of the season. If we can't move him to another team in the offseason, then Gunnarsson's salary probably becomes trade bait. We don't need both these guys.

And for Upshall, hopefully he's played his last game as a Blue. He was a good 4th-liner for us but we need to go with youth to replace him.

 

[wannabebluesplayer]

Our top6 currently

Dunn - Pietro
Gunnar - Parayko
Butler - Bortuzzo

Has it been reported that Butler is called up? Not Walman? Binghampton isn't going to the playoffs. Give Walman a shot. Let's see what he can do. Maybe he forces DA to rid the Blues of both Gunnarsson and Bouwmeester?

 

[Ranksu]

and the other who has blocked twitter

Jeremy Rutherford‏Varmennettu tili @jprutherford
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Bouwmeester suffered the hip injury Dec. 10 vs. Buffalo. He had the option of surgery or injection and keep playing. He decide to put off surgery until after the season but re-injured it Saturday in Dallas. He’ll now undergo surgery and be out 4-6 months.

 

[Alklha]

What are the cap implications between retiring early and LTIR? Or can he retire early at all or does retirement only count for injury and unable to play thus going on LTIR?

You can forget about him retiring. He has a contract paying him $5.4m next season, retiring would see him giving that up. Not happening.

If we are talking about his career being over and spending the last year on LTIR, it's a bit early to be thinking about that. If that did end up happening, it just means we can exceed the cap by $5.4m.

If his contract is insured, which might not be the case, then the only issue is that we'll have problems with bonus payments to young players potentially carrying over to the 19/20 season.

If his contract isn't insured, our budget is going to be seriously screwed up by missing the playoffs and paying $5.4m to a player who can't play.

 

[Ranksu]

Has it been reported that Butler is called up? Not Walman? Binghampton isn't going to the playoffs. Give Walman a shot. Let's see what he can do. Maybe he forces DA to rid the Blues of both Gunnarsson and Bouwmeester?

I assume, ofc there is change Schmaltz getting icetime noting he has played decently what I recall.

 

[Zamadoo]

You can forget about him retiring. He has a contract paying him $5.4m next season, retiring would see him giving that up. Not happening.

If we are talking about his career being over and spending the last year on LTIR, it's a bit early to be thinking about that. If that did end up happening, it just means we can exceed the cap by $5.4m.

If his contract is insured, which might not be the case, then the only issue is that we'll have problems with bonus payments to young players potentially carrying over to the 19/20 season.

If his contract isn't insured, our budget is going to be seriously screwed up by missing the playoffs and paying $5.4m to a player who can't play.

In that case, let's make the playoffs.

 

[Alklha]

Other injury updates: Army said no timetable on Edmundson, who is skating today ... Soshnikov has a neck injury and Blais (San Antonio) also has a neck injury. Sanford (San Antonio) is back in the Rampage lineup. #stlblues

*Sighs*

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

I think JBo should recover well from hip surgery - it worked wonders for Gunnarsson (who if you remember was absolutely garbage before getting surgery). This is a good move.

 

[Zamadoo]

Goodness, who do we have...Megan and Bennett? MacEachern? Musil? Kostin? Bleakley was just brought up from ECHL. Buehler???

 

[Dbrownss]

You can forget about him retiring. He has a contract paying him $5.4m next season, retiring would see him giving that up. Not happening.

If we are talking about his career being over and spending the last year on LTIR, it's a bit early to be thinking about that. If that did end up happening, it just means we can exceed the cap by $5.4m.

If his contract is insured, which might not be the case, then the only issue is that we'll have problems with bonus payments to young players potentially carrying over to the 19/20 season.

If his contract isn't insured, our budget is going to be seriously screwed up by missing the playoffs and paying $5.4m to a player who can't play.

not trying to jump down your throat here but do any of us actually know the team budget?

 

[Ranksu]

I think this was huge missed opportunity to get rid of Jbo if he really was semi-injured December 10th 2017. Army shot himself in the foot not dealing with Jbo at TDL and there is no change him getting out of team without buyout.

 

[Alklha]

not trying to jump down your throat here but do any of us actually know the team budget?

We don't, but we can make reasonable guesses of what is going to be difficult.

We had to make the Conference Finals for the team to make a profit, and that was when the cap was $71.4m. The cap is now $75m and it looks like we're missing the playoffs. The team is going to be in the red this year.

The cap is going to be around $80m next season. In the scenario mentioned, an uninsured $5.4m player on LTIR, then that means the budget is jumping from $75m this season to $85m+ next season. We might still be a cap team in that scenario, but it certainly wouldn't be easy to absorb.

Anyway, it's pretty much a moot point. This isn't going to be a career ending injury to Bouwmeester. He'll have had a scan in December and the doctors will have told him that it won't get any worse by continuing to play, it just won't get any better. The only question is how effective he'll be next season, which can't be any worse than over the past couple of months.

 

[Oberyn]

I think this was huge missed opportunity to get rid of Jbo if he really was semi-injured December 10th 2017. Army shot himself in the foot not dealing with Jbo at TDL and there is no change him getting out of team without buyout.

Wouldn't any team trading for Bouwmeester ask for his medical records in advance? And if they saw that he would likely need hip surgery, why on earth would they give up assets to acquire him? Trades involving injured players typically require a pending physical before being completed.

 

[PiggySmalls]

I think this was huge missed opportunity to get rid of Jbo if he really was semi-injured December 10th 2017. Army shot himself in the foot not dealing with Jbo at TDL and there is no change him getting out of team without buyout.

It was reported teams were interested until they found out he had a lingering injury. Nothing DA could do about that.

 

[Alklha]

Wouldn't any team trading for Bouwmeester ask for his medical records in advance? And if they saw that he would likely need hip surgery, why on earth would they give up assets to acquire him? Trades involving injured players typically require a pending physical before being completed.

Yes, any injuries have to be disclosed before a trade.

 

[Ranksu]

Thank you both for info.

Can you guys clarify me. Do we place him to IR to rest of next season and does that count in our cap, get cap relief?

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So Gunnar is sick too. Who wouldn't

Lou Korac‏ @lkorac10 7 min7 minuuttia sitten
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Soshnikov could get into a practice tomorrow and #stlblues will see where he is as far as availability. Felt better today. Gunnarsson is sick and they kept him off the ice today.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

If only he had been under concussion protocol instead of a nagging hip injury, maybe we could have traded him.

 

[The Note in MI]

I imagine it’s a labral tear

 

[Dbrownss]

We don't, but we can make reasonable guesses of what is going to be difficult.

We had to make the Conference Finals for the team to make a profit, and that was when the cap was $71.4m. The cap is now $75m and it looks like we're missing the playoffs. The team is going to be in the red this year.

The cap is going to be around $80m next season. In the scenario mentioned, an uninsured $5.4m player on LTIR, then that means the budget is jumping from $75m this season to $85m+ next season. We might still be a cap team in that scenario, but it certainly wouldn't be easy to absorb.

Anyway, it's pretty much a moot point. This isn't going to be a career ending injury to Bouwmeester. He'll have had a scan in December and the doctors will have told him that it won't get any worse by continuing to play, it just won't get any better. The only question is how effective he'll be next season, which can't be any worse than over the past couple of months.

I understand that part but we dont know how Stillman views this. Boumeester is most likely gone after next year regardless, and was going to be pushed down the lineup anyways. The only issue I can see is if it hampers the team from aquiring a certian somebody in FA.

 

[Mike Liut]

He’s now untradeable coming off hip surgery.