2016 NHL Entry Draft Discussion - June 24,25 - Leafs 7 weeks to 1st. Overall

[Warden of the North]

Evolving Draft Picks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NHL_Entry_Draft

Eliteprospects has several Top 30 lists.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/draftcenter.php?year=2016

CSS Final Rankings:
http://www.tsn.ca/2016-nhl-central-scouting-rankings-na-skaters-goaltenders-1.470328
http://www.tsn.ca/2016-nhl-central-scouting-rankings-european-skaters-goaltenders-1.470342

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2016/03/28/nhl-draft-is-deep-behind-auston-matthews.html

“We think the top three have clearly separated themselves,†said Dennis MacInnis, the chief scout of Independent Scouting Service. “There’s a clear break after those top three (Matthews, Puljujarvi and Laine) down to the next tier, which runs about a dozen deep — from No. 4 to No. 16.â€

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...aft-jost-fabbro-nylander-gustavsson/83404180/
https://usatboxingjunkie.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/screen-shot-2016-04-22-at-5-05-39-pm.jpg

Mid Season McKenzie: http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-mid-season-draft-rankings-topped-by-big-three-1.435206

VIDEO Reference of prospects (thanks Seer)

Here's the LINK to page 1 --> http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1999425

Auston Matthews, here we come



Here is our current draft picks

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Future/MapleLeafs.htm

Round 1
Leafs - 1st.
Pens - unknown 20's

Round 2
Leafs - 31
Caps -

Round 3
Leafs - 61
Devils (via Pitt) -70

Round 4
Leafs - 91
Avalanche - 100

Round 5
Leafs - 121

Round 6
Leafs - 151
Blues -

Round 7
Leafs - 181


Pens pick breakdown (as of May 3rd)

23 if they Lose to Washington
27 if they lose in the conference finals and Dallas or St. Louis loses the West conference final
28 if they lose in the conference final and San Jose or Nashville lose the West conference final
29 if they lose in the Stanley Cup final
30 if they win the cup

ISS Rankings April 6, 2016:

http://www.isshockey.com/iss-top-30/

1 Matthews, Auston C 9/17/1997 L 6.01.5 210 Zurich ZSC SuiA
2 Puljujarvi, Jesse RW 5/7/1998 R 6.03 203 Karpat FinE
3 Laine, Patrik LW 4/19/1998 R 6.04 209 Tappara FinE
4 Nylander, Alexander RW 3/2/1998 R 6.00.5 179 Mississauga OHL
5 Dubois, Pierre-Luc LW 6/24/1998 L 6.02.5 202 Cape Breton QMJHL

RK|PLAYER|TEAM|POS|HT|WT|GP|G|P
1|*Auston Matthews|Zurich (Suisse A)|C|6'1½|194|31|24|40
2|*Patrik Laine|Tappara (SM-Liiga)|RW|6'4|206|35|13|27
3|Jesse Puljujärvi|Karpat (SM-Liiga)|RW|6'3 ½|203|41|8|20
4|*Matthew Tkachuk|London (OHL)|LW|6'1|195|38|16|70
5|*Jakob Chychrun|Sarnia (OHL)|D|6'2|215|47|9|34
6|*Alexander Nylander|Mississuaga (OHL)|LW/RW|6'0 ½|179|44|26|61
7|*Olli Juolevi|London (OHL)|D|6'2 ½|179|39|5|28
8|*Pierre-Luc Dubois|C. Breton (QMJHL)|LW|6'2 ½|202|50|30|72
9|*Michael McLeod|Mississuaga (OHL)|C|6'2|188|50|19|56
10|*Julien Gauthier|Val d'Or (QMJHL)|RW|6'3 ½|225|38|36|46
11|*Jake Bean|Calgary (WHL)|D|6'1|173|51|19|46
12|*Mikhail Sergachev|Windsor (OHL)|D|6'2 ½|206|50|14|41
13|*Tyson Jost|Penticton (BCHL)|C|5'11|191|41|34|86
14|*Charlie McAvoy|Boston U (NCAA)|D|6'1*|208|25|2|14
15|*Clayton Keller|USA NTDP (USHL)|C|5'9 ½|168|39|27|76
16|*Max Jones|London (OHL)|LW|6'3|205|45|21|39
17|*Dante Fabbro|Penticton (BCHL)|D|6'0|189|38|13|59
18|*Kieffer Bellows|USA NTDP (USHL)|LW|6'0|196|40|32|54
19|Luke Kunin|Wisconsin (NCAA)|C/RW|6'0|193|23|10|19
20|*Logan Brown|Windsor (OHL)|C|6'6|222|42|10|48
21|*Riley Tufte|Blaine (USHSW)|LW|6'5|205|21|36|60
22|Logan Stanley|Windsor (OHL)|D|6'7|220|48|5|16
23|*German Rubtsov|Russia U-18 (MHL)|C|6'2|176|18|9|20
24|*Dillon Dube|Kelowna (WHL)|LW|5'10*|180|46|21|49
25|*Rasmus Asplund|Farjestad (SHL)|C|5'11|176|36|4|10
26|Pascal Laberge|Victoriaville (QMJHL)|C/RW|6'1|162|40|16|48
27|*Libor Hájek|Saskatoon (WHL)|D|6'2|185|52|3|20
28|*Tage Thompson|Connecticut (NCAA)|C|6'5|185|28|10|24
29|Nathan Bastian|Mississauga (OHL)|RW|6'4|208|49|15|47
30|*Alex DeBrincat|Erie (OHL)|C/RW|5'7|163|41|38|68
31|*Brett Howden|Moose Jaw (WHL)|C|6'2|193|50|18|46
32|*Taylor Raddysh|Erie (OHL)|RW|6'2|203|48|18|56
33|*Markus Niemeläinen|Saginaw (OHL)|D|6'5|189|51|1|24
34|*Tyler Benson|Vancouver (WHL)|LW|6'0|201|28|8|26
35|*Carter Hart|Everett (WHL)|G|6'0 ½|177|49|1.96|0.925
36|Lucas Johansen|Kelowna (WHL)|D|6'1|176|50|8|23
37|*Kale Clague|Brandon (WHL)|D|6'0|177|52|3|20
38|*Carl Grundström|Modo (QMJHL)|RW|6'0|194|39|6|12
39|Dennis Cholowski|Chilliwack (BCHL)|D|6'0*|170|39|7|30
40|*Will Bitten|*Flint (OHL)|C/RW|5'10|167|49|21|48
41|*Sam Steel|Regina (WHL)|C|5'11|177|52|19|49
42|Jordan Kyrou|Sarnia (OHL)|RW|6'0|175|47|13|34
43|*Filip Gustavsson|Luleå (SWE-J20)|G|6'2|184|16|3.58|0.881
44|Boris Katchouk|S.S. Marie (OHL)|LW|6'1|181|47|19|41
45|Samuel Girard|Shawinigan (QMJHL)|D|5'9|165|50|6|50
46|Sean Day|Mississauga (OHL)|D|6'3|230|42|3|14
47|*Chad Krys|USA NTDP (USHL)|D|5'11|185|31|2|18
48|Evan Fitzpatrick|Sherbrooke (QMJHL)|G|6'4|206|41|3.28|0.901
49|Josh Anderson|Prince George (WHL)|D|6'3|210|39|1|6
50|*Luke Green|Saint John (QMJHL)|D|6'0*|189|37|8|22
51|*Trent Frederic|USA NTDP (USHL)|C|6'2|203|38|14|28
52|Vitalii Abramov|Gatineau (QMJHL)|RW|5'9|170|31|44|75
53|Zach Sawchenko|Moose Jaw (WHL)|G|6'1|179|36|2.97|0.917
54|Tim Gettinger|S.S. Marie (OHL)|LW|6'6|202|42|11|28
55|Dylan Wells|Peterborough (OHL)|G|6'2|182|21|4.46|0.877
56|*Ryan Lindgren|USA NTDP (USHL)|D|6'0|198|38|4|16
57|Adam Mascherin|Kitchener (OHL)|LW|5'9 ½|206|47|27|61
58|*Noah Gregor|Moose Jaw (WHL)|C|6'0*|180|54|21|49
59|Adam Fox|USA NTDP (USHL)|D|5'10|183|41|7|42
60|Jack Kopacka|S.S. Marie (OHL)|LW|6'2|190|49|15|29

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1161253

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[Epictetus]

Really, though, he is.

Letting a mere technicality get you rustled is useless. You could order your jersey (if we weren't rolling out a new one.

There is a grammatical and logical difference between "is" and "will be". One is factually correct based on our situation, the other is not.

Now, you can deny there is no difference (you'd be wrong) or argue it's technically insignificant. The latter is fine, it probably is insignificant. But that still doesn't make it any less correct/annoying/pet peeve.

 

[Budsfan]

Matthews is to Arizona what McDavid is to Toronto and the desire and will to try obtain the local kid would be high so it would be out of curiosity alone be an interesting debate as to what would be too much to pay to make it happen when the team wants something so badly.

If Edmonton (hypothetically) would say give us Matthews, Rielly and 1st and we will send you McDavid would it be too heavy a price?. Similarly if TO told Arizona send us OEL, Strome, 7th and 22nd overall would they do it or better question should they do it?

Its fun to speculate and dream of possibilities but at the end of the day these teams are running a business and there will be a breaking point where is simply wouldn't make sense to pay "whatever it takes".

Of course trading off too much of your future in a lopsided deal doesn't make sense but to get McDavid we might over pay slightly and too Arizona may also but it would have to make sense for both teams even if one team is getting a player that they covet and slightly overpay, to do so.

 

[Bernier the Boats]

Now we can focus on the important picks, which are the Pittsburgh pick & #31. We still have 12 picks this draft, which is insane.

 

[TheCLAM]

Leafs SHOULD consider serious offers for that first overall pick. It wasn't long ago that NYIslanders offered ALL of their 2012 picks to Columbus for the right to draft Ryan Murray at #2 but Columbus didn't have the GUTS to accept. IF they had accepted, they could have taken Morgan Rielly or Filip Forsberg with 4th overall, Damon Severson at 34, Jimmy Vesey, Shane Gostisbehere or Frederik Anderson at 65 and so on...Instead they took Ryan Murray who has accumulated just 49 points in the NHL! So, be prepared to listen and be confident in Mark Hunter's skills. It could turn out to be an offer too good to refuse!

I agree you need to listen to all offers.

Your argument is flawed as defense-man in the top 5 typically have a different optimal success rate.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

There is a grammatical and logical difference between "is" and "will be". One is factually correct based on our situation, the other is not.

Now, you can deny there is no difference (you'd be wrong) or argue it's technically insignificant. The latter is fine, it probably is insignificant. But that still doesn't make it any less correct/annoying/pet peeve.

Lighten up, Francis

We've won the right to pick our long-missing 1C.

 

[nuck]

I would consider Matthews for Laine if it included the right +. Will have to watch them closely in the wc. I still think Matthews is the best prospect but he is not a generational talent and the younger Laine has been getting better and better. I am not sure Winnipeg would pay that much to flip picks.

 

[suprvilce]

I posted this in a thread on main board so this is just copy paste:

I think for the Leafs this isn't the time to get fancy by trading the 1st OA pick. Still need to add quite a few pieces (and few current ones to continue developing and improving) just to make the playoffs. If it was Edmonton winning the Lottery, i could see them at least considering options to help the team take the next step by targeting a good defenceman, but Leafs should just remain calm and pick whoever they feel is (and will be when all is said and done) the best player in the draft.

But just for lols: Coyotes do have some very good pieces, but if they were looking to acquire the #1 pick from Toronto, going from #7 to #1 just wouldn't work. They would first have to move up to #3 spot and from there make a deal for #1 pick so the Leafs would still get one of big three at #3 spot. Would Blue Jackets want Strome (+sweeteners) for #3 pick? Then you package #3 and #7 (if you didn't use it for first deal, else other pieces) for #1. The reason i think something like that would theoretically work is if Blue Jackets would want a potential #1 center after trading away Ryan Johansen, and if the Leafs would consider Puljujärvi as someone who could potentially have as high celling as Matthews or Laine and could make him a center.

Now us Leafs fans say NO, NO WAY! to all ideas about trading #1 overall, but if the Leafs MANAGEMENT theoretically see Matthews and Laine as equal talent and think Puljujärvi could actually turn out as good or maybe even better and could maybe even move to play center why wouldn't you consider?

 

[bobermay]

TOR 1st: C Auston Matthews (6'02"/194/1997) - USA - NLA
PIT 1st: LD Jake Bean (6'01"/172/1998) - CANADA - WHL
TOR 2nd: G Carter Hart (6'01"/170/1998) - CANADA - WHL
WAS 2nd: LD Markus Niemelainen (6'06"/205/1998) - FINLAND - OHL
TOR 3rd: LW Artur Kayumov (5'10"/154/1998) - RUSSIA - MHL
NJD 3rd: RD Filip Berglund (6'03/209/1997) - SWEDEN - SuperElit
TOR 4th: LW/RW Jesper Bratt (5'10"/174/1998) - SWEDEN - Allsvenskan
COL 4th: LD Kristaps Zile (6'01"/174/1997) - LATVIA - MHL/KHL
TOR 5th: C Connor Bunnaman (6'00"/183/1998) - CANADA - OHL
TOR 6th: RW/LW Markus Nurmi (6'03"/168/1998) - FINLAND - JR.A
STL 6th: G Tyler Parsons (6'01/185/1997) - USA - OHL
TOR 7th: RD William Pethrus (6'02"/183/1997) - SWEDEN - SuperElit

Would be great to pick up another pick in the 20-50 range

 

[Stephen]

I wonder if we can spin that Pittsburgh pick and random prospects and extra picks into another top 10 pick? Would it be worth it?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

ugh no. i want one of bishop or vasilevsky.

I want Bishop too but Bernier just CANNOT be our starter next year

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

I wonder if we can spin that Pittsburgh pick and random prospects and extra picks into another top 10 pick? Would it be worth it?

Yep I would if we could get Chychrun or Sergachev with that pick. Otherwise move up a bit and get Fabbro

 

[theIceWookie]

I don't understand why people would not want to listen to what Arizona would offer to obtain an asset that they covet and in a deal that may greatly improve the Leafs and they would dismiss out of hand a deal and decide what Arizona should or should not do.

Every deal is based on what a team feels is what they need and since there is no deal on the table and no one knows what is offered or counter offered, we can speculate on what a deal may be.

It basically boils down to this. There isn't a package that fits our team needs and wants that Arizona SHOULD or WOULD give up. Any package that we want destroys a chance they have to be competitive in the near and long term future. End of story.

There isn't a scenario where trading Matthews to Arizona makes sense outside of fantasy where people aren't thinking about Arizona's needs as an organization (which go far beyond one player, even one as good as Matthews). Sure Arizona management COULD go crazy and offer some ludicrous offer but that is HIGHLY unlikely and outside the realm of possibility and in the realm of fantasy.

 

[Rare Jewel]

I wonder if we can spin that Pittsburgh pick and random prospects and extra picks into another top 10 pick? Would it be worth it?

I'm not sure any team would do it TBH. The gap may be too big for them, especially if the Pens make the final four - plus for us, I'm not really interested in going all out and moving multiple picks do to so.

I'd be more than content with staying at wherever the Pens pick falls and 31st.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I wonder if we can spin that Pittsburgh pick and random prospects and extra picks into another top 10 pick? Would it be worth it?

I'd rather use those assets to try and land a young player in the NHL now (like Barrie) to solidify the current core group. Otherwise just let Hunter go to work and find some gems in that late 1st/early 2nd round range

 

[Bernier the Boats]

Tyler Benson is going to be bought for pennies on the dollar.

 

[theIceWookie]

Tyler Benson is going to be bought for pennies on the dollar.

I'll take him in the 2nd round please!

 

[Stand Witness]

We need to target Dmitri Sokolov once we get out of the 1st round. 30 goals, 53 pts on a terrible Sudbury team. He alone scored 16% of all their goals this season.

Ranked around 120, I would take him with the Caps 2nd or our 3rd.

 

[Morgs]

1. Auston Matthews
23. Jonathan Dahlen
31. Lucas Johansen
60. Evan Fitzpatrick
61. Victor Mete
71. Cliff Pu
91. DmitrI Sokolov

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

1. Auston Matthews
23. Jonathan Dahlen
31. Lucas Johansen
60. Evan Fitzpatrick
61. Victor Mete
71. Cliff Pu
91. DmitrI Sokolov

Carter Hart at 31

 

[Morgs]

We need to target Dmitri Sokolov once we get out of the 1st round. 30 goals, 53 pts on a terrible Sudbury team. He alone scored 16% of all their goals this season.

Ranked around 120, I would take him with the Caps 2nd or our 3rd.

He had a great season for where he was, guy has loads of potential.

I think our 4th is where we should aim for him, there are better players that will be available at the end of the second/start of the third.

 

[Morgs]

Carter Hart at 31

Used to think that was a good idea, but I don't think it is anymore. Goalies are a crapshoot, and you gotta go with best player available.

Just hope Hart or Fitzpatrick drop to 60.

 

[Stand Witness]

Want list: (no specific order of drafting)

Sean Day
Dmitri Sokolov
Victor Mete
Cliff Pu
Carter Hart
Adam Mascherin

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Used to think that was a good idea, but I don't think it is anymore. Goalies are a crapshoot, and you gotta go with best player available.

Just hope Hart or Fitzpatrick drop to 60.

We have NOTHING in terms of goalie prospects we NEED Carter Hart

 

[SeenSchenn2]

Heh, funny enough Auston Matthews already works with Darryl Belfry.