OT: 2014 football thread iv: falcons docked pick for being dumb.
- Thread starter Hunter Gathers
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I don't think Reese will pay the cost to move up for Leonard Williams but it's a rumor that keeps coming around that he really wants to
Solid talent at QB upgrade
relocates G. Smith and gets us OL help (sorry not clear in my earlier post since edited)
gets Aldon who has issues, but as I said is 1 yr stop gap.
Sorry to see Wilkie go, but he wants top $$ we don't have
BroadwayStorm
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Awful trade for the Jets. Why get Kaepernick when you can get Rivers? Plus Rivers to the Niners makes no sense as that team is about to get blown up again. Wilkerson is a great player. You don't give those away, worst case you franchise him. Your front 7 is the strength of your team.
If I'm the Jets my real weakness is QB and unfortunately imo even Winston and Mariota are not good enough to lead a playoff team. They need to trade for a vet. Although if you are gonna pick that high make the trade and get the QB. I just don't think either of them could handle NY. I don't think any of their WR are long term solutions. I take Amari Cooper or Kevin White with that pick.
If I'm the Jets my real weakness is QB and unfortunately imo even Winston and Mariota are not good enough to lead a playoff team. They need to trade for a vet. Although if you are gonna pick that high make the trade and get the QB. I just don't think either of them could handle NY. I don't think any of their WR are long term solutions. I take Amari Cooper or Kevin White with that pick.
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
Can't just make it a 2 team trade getting one of the QBs. Gotta make it a 3 team deal just to make it more crazy and complicated? Just don't get it.
Pavel Buchnevich
Drury and Laviolette Must Go
It's about the fit...
Kapernick is a better fit for Jets, Rivers for SF
Kapy is younger, more raw talent, multi-dimensional. Would give 6ish yrs of production, IMO
Rivers is pro w/out issues, would give 2-4 years solid QB for SF
Also, making it 3 team helps NYJ, because we can demand a little more from SF and a lot more from SD. Those adds help!
Hunter Gathers
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Matt4776
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Kaepernick is a better fit how? And he is not really a good QB and has been on a downward trend (defenses are catching up to him). In the last 3 seasons (45 games), he threw for 8400 yards and 50 TDs. Philip Rivers in his last 2 seasons (32 games) he threw for 8700 yards and 63 TDs. To be fair to Kaep he also ran for 1500 yards and 10 TDs. So lets compare TDs. Kaep 60 in 45 games, Rivers 63 in 32 games.
Kaep also had the benefit of a much better defense and running game.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
Cost Buf an extra 1st & 4th last year I believe to get from 9 to 4.
Can't see Reese paying that, don't blame him really.
RangerBlues
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Johns top 10
1 Tampa-QB Winston DUH
2 Tennessee-QB Mariota If they dont make a trade
3 Jacksonville-WR Cooper DUH
4 Oakland DE Williams. Could go second.
5 Washington WR White
6 NY Jets OLB Dante Fowler
7 Chicago CB Waynes
8 Atlanta OL Scereff
9 NY Giants RB Todd Gurley. Gamebreaker. Win now while Eli still young
10 St Louis WR Parker
1 Tampa-QB Winston DUH
2 Tennessee-QB Mariota If they dont make a trade
3 Jacksonville-WR Cooper DUH
4 Oakland DE Williams. Could go second.
5 Washington WR White
6 NY Jets OLB Dante Fowler
7 Chicago CB Waynes
8 Atlanta OL Scereff
9 NY Giants RB Todd Gurley. Gamebreaker. Win now while Eli still young
10 St Louis WR Parker
Jacksonville isn't taking Cooper. They drafted like three wide receivers last year, and they need help in a lot of other areas.
RangerBlues
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Cooper can win you 2-3 games, NOW
More of a sure thing than the QB's
I would take him over Mariota.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
Don't see that happening. The Giants don't value the RB position that highly. Gurley is coming off an injury. And the Giants have been burned with RBs picked in the first round.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
I don't care how good a RB is in today's league they just don't warrant first round picks let alon top 10 picks.
Marshawn Lynch has been a dominant performer for Seattle and was acquired for a 4th and 5th rounder. Gurley is one of the few picks that would piss me off.
Marshawn Lynch has been a dominant performer for Seattle and was acquired for a 4th and 5th rounder. Gurley is one of the few picks that would piss me off.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
Agreed. I don't think you could even spin picking Gurley as addressing a need. Especially after spending money on Vereen this offseason.
My dream scenario would be to draft Cooper at 6 and then trade back into the first for Melvin Gordon.
If Amari Cooper is available at 6, the Jets would be stupid not to take him. Brandon Marshall will only be good for another couple of seasons. Cooper has a very high ceiling moving forward.
I like Cooper but I don't think his ceiling is that high. I'd say of the top 4 WR he actually has the lowest ceiling. He's got a tremendously high floor though. He's probably a Marques Colston. A consistently very good WR.
I think Cooper is getting overrated somewhat because he's good at what most college WRs need to work on. He's polished already, which automatically lowers his ceiling imo.
I think people think he's gonna be OBJ-esque & I think they'll be very disappointed.
Rivers has the experience and maturity.
But he has more of the typical wear and tear from that.
And while he likes CA, he's a family guy (Peter Griffin
) who may not be too enamoured w/NYC. SF is loud and proud, but it is also reclusive and exclusive enough to be a good fit.=======
I am now thinking
Ten says they are committed to their guy, a pocket passer
Other teams can't offer a difference maker at 6, plus a Wilkerson blue chip.
6OA
Wilkerson
Geno Smith (not with the Mariotta toolbox, but with some similar tools, makes a nice contrast, pushes the other guy without being overly threatening, potential trade asset thrown in if he matures)
next year's 4th, upgradeable to next year's 2nd based on Mariotta performance
for 2OA = Mariotta
THEN do a different deal w/SD for Rivers
Rivers for Kapernick
[of course, adds on all sides to both]
then Kap-meister to NYJ;
competition of 2 comparable style QBs
Kap wins on experience, Marriotta is groomed
then after 1-2 years w/both
trade 1 for assets at a profit.
Could see with Mariotta the seed today better developed at end of year, that desperate Chip Kelly and Eagles would seriously OVERPAY, even more than today.
There's no way Jags don't take a defensive player. I'd be shocked if they pick anyone besides Leonard Williams
17futurecap
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Would be happy with the Jets getting a pash rusher or an offensive lineman. Probably favor taking an offensive lineman, play him at guard for a year, and then release Brick and let them take over tackle after next season. Probably make a case a rookie could start at the other tackle position for Giacomini this season who is about as average as they come.
I know that sounds pretty boring, but the Jets oline looks very similar to last years, and that is not a good thing.
I know that sounds pretty boring, but the Jets oline looks very similar to last years, and that is not a good thing.
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