Prospect Info: 2014 Draft Discussion II (June 27-28 in Philadelphia)

[mindfly]

Ho-Sang.. isn't that like Korean, he doesn't look korean

 

[SoupNazi]

If we're going the famous gene route, Id rather go for Ryan Macinnis. **** Claude Lemieux, and his offspring too.

I just spit water all over my keyboard. I agree with you 100%.

 

[SoupNazi]

Ho-Sang.. isn't that like Korean, he doesn't look korean

He's from Thornhill, Ontario.

 

[Frk It]

Ho-Sang.. isn't that like Korean, he doesn't look korean

The Canadian-born 17-year-old’s father is a black Jamaican of Chinese descent, his mother is Chilean with Russian and Swedish bloodlines, and is Jewish. It’s not unusual to hear Spanish spoken in the Ho-Sang household, where Chanukah and Christmas are celebrated.

http://colorofhockey.com/2013/10/25/josh-ho-sang-a-diverse-star-in-the-making/

Also, the name Ho-Sang comes from his grandfather, who was from Hong Kong.

 

[mindfly]

http://colorofhockey.com/2013/10/25/josh-ho-sang-a-diverse-star-in-the-making/

Also, the name Ho-Sang comes from his grandfather, who was from Hong Kong.

Dayum, what a mix.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Interesting comment by Dave Conte, NJ's head scout:

"I think there are some very unique and special players who will have long successful careers coming out of this draft class," Conte said. "I'm excited. Because there's not a consensus pick, there is a chance of getting players that you greatly value at a reduced price compared to years where there is a consensus."

I bet the Wings feel the same way. When you know you've got a strong scouting department, this kind of wide-open draft is great to you. Especially since you know a number of teams ahead of you have bonehead scouting departments and are going to whiff bigtime.

 

[InjuredChoker]

our strong scouting might be in texas. except for håkan.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

our strong scouting might be in texas. except for håkan.

We don't know that.

and even if this is a mediocre draft by the scouts, we don't know that it's due to them sucking. They've overachieved lately, so regression to the mean is not out of the question.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Any chance Milano makes it to 15th overall? If so does Kenneh pull the trigger?

 

[InjuredChoker]

Any chance Milano makes it to 15th overall? If so does Kenneh pull the trigger?

kid has some filthy mitts.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

our strong scouting might be in texas. except for håkan.

One of the strongest scouting minds in the NHL in the last 40 years is our GM. You know the guy that has been above Rockstrom, Nill and Hakan all of these years and given them directives and ultimately has more say than they do in the process.

Not saying that we have not lost some talent and certainly losing our OHL scout when we finally have hit on a few OHL players for the first time in what seems like forever hurts. But Holland has proven particularly great in this area. His two greatest strengths in my opinion are his ability to evaluate front office or off ice personnel and place them around him and his understanding of amateur talent and the feedback he receives from his talent. It is an area we have only really struggled at for a five year period that is well documented around here. Even then he found NHL talent just not to the level of our liking.

What the Wings do well is they go to undervalued markets. They hit the Q hard when people stop looking there. They seem to be all over Czech Republic and Slovakia for players when we are being told they aren't producing as much talent anymore. We will see, but this has always been a strength in my opinion that is overlooked, the Wings have always had a bigger plan at play then a ton of luck. A part of it in my opinion is they have a very good understanding of what is being undervalued.

 

[Chance on Chance]

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/512325

Sam Bennett couldnt do one pull up at the combine

 

[Frk It]

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/512325

Sam Bennett couldnt do one pull up at the combine

Reminds me of when Kevin Durant couldn't bench 185 once at the NBA combine.

I mean it's pretty surprising for a high end athlete, young or not. But also KD 3 years later posted a video of him benching 315 once. Plus he still turned into a fantastic player.

 

[SoupNazi]

Guys, let's not use this thread to debate the Jarnkrok trade again.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

If you really want a second round pick in this draft trade back. I don't think this is a particularly good draft. I am warming up to a couple of the first rounders around us, but I still don't think this is a cry over it kind of draft. In fact moving the 1st pick with Tatar for the D-man is probably worth it in terms of getting that big fix. I would offer it to Washington for Green. I hope he would cost a little less but I doubt it.

 

[AD1066]

Fair enough, so do we look to address center depth at 15th ?

I generally prefer the BPA route but I will be slightly worried if we don't address our organizational center by either drafting a C at 15 or trading down and using at least one of the picks on a center. We failed in my opinion to adequately plan for the departure of Lidstrom and I hope we don't make the same mistake with Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

I don't know how realistic the STL swap is -- the value seems relatively close but has there been any indication that it's something STL would be open to, or is it just speculation at this point?

Since we're unlikely nowadays to find a high-octane center in the mold of Datsyuk or Zetterberg (or Yzerman or Fedorov) someone had mentioned earlier that the next best thing is to adopt a Boston model. Find a guy who is capable of playing a strong two-way game and putting up 60 points, and let Mantha and Nyquist do the rest.

If they think McCann or Fabbri at 15th is that guy, I'll put my faith in our scouting and be content with the pick.

The only other option I think would be taking BPA and using existing assets (Tatar, Pulkkinen, and/or a defenseman who doesn't fit our future plans) and trading for a young center. I think the overall cost will be higher if we pursue this method given that young centers on the upswing are valued so highly.

 

[Fowler524]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2014/06/mock_draft_predicts_detroit_re_1.html#incart_river

This mock has us taking McCann

 

[Spitfire11]

So no word on who Detroit interviewed other than Brendan Lemieux?

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

kid has some filthy mitts.

Patty Kane 2.0

It says he's committed to Boston College, I'm not 100% sure what that means if we were to draft him. Anybody know?

 

[Anchor Town*]

Patty Kane 2.0

It says he's committed to Boston College, I'm not 100% sure what that means if we were to draft him. Anybody know?

That he's gonna play at Boston College?

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

That he's gonna play at Boston College?

But would it be worth drafting him if you know you're not going to see him in the pros for 4 years? I could've worded my original question better, I apologize.

 

[Frk It]

But would it be worth drafting him if you know you're not going to see him in the pros for 4 years? I could've worded my original question better, I apologize.

3 or 4 years is perfect. Not much room in the next 3-4 years with Z, Dats, Sheahan/Helm, Weiss (lol) occupying top 9 spots for the foreseeable future

We need to start drafting/developing guys down the middle for when Dats and Z retire. As much as we hate to think about it. I think Sheahan is good enough to become a 2nd line center. I don't know that we'll be able to get a legit #1 center without a top 5 pick. But I'd be happy with two legit 2nd line caliber centers that are two way players to go along with the talent we have at wing.

 

[Kronwalled55]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2014/06/mock_draft_predicts_detroit_re_1.html#incart_river

This mock has us taking McCann

I like his two way game a lot, and it's a safe pick but... I kind of want Detroit to swing for the fences this draft and take some risks. To be honest, I kind of doubt that McCann becomes more than a 3rd liner.

 

[BStinson]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2014/06/mock_draft_predicts_detroit_re_1.html#incart_river

This mock has us taking McCann

Here is the direct link to where Savage is referring to. There's definitely some reaches/fallers in the draft.

http://nesn.com/2014/05/2014-nhl-mock-draft-updated-projections-conference-finals-edition/

 

[BStinson]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...lts-measurements-highlights-and-top-prospects

Published top 10 results for all of the fitness testing at the combine.