Olympics: 2014 — Canada Roster Discussion (Part XI - Announcement Jan 7th, 12PM EST, TSN)

[OttawaRoughRiderFan*]

I sincerely hope the team doesn't have this mentality. In 06 we lossed to the Fins and Czechs and Swiss, all of which were probably considered "not real challenges".

You're right. I think we all hope they win it all.

 

[Barrie22]

I sincerely hope the team doesn't have this mentality. In 06 we lossed to the Fins and Czechs and Swiss, all of which were probably considered "not real challenges".

in 2002 we lost to the sweds, barely beat germany (3-2), tied the czechs, and then demolished belarus and beat the usa.

its amazing at how some tournaments are ran so sucking can actually help you.

 

[KidLine93]

Yet he has 3 dmen playing their offside in Det all year..

On NHL rink which is harder to play your offside on because it's smaller than Olympic ice.

Det has 3 RH dmen playing in the AHL, if it was so important they would call them up and play the, on RD instead of using 3 lefties play their offside...but they realize the downgrade in making that switch is greater than the disadvantage of having 3 lefties play RD.

If Vlasic, Bouw where close to the players, Subban, AP, Weber, Doughty, it would be alright to play them on their side, but they are not

By being anal about their LD\RD

Keith Weber
Bouwmeester AP
Vlasic Doughty
Subban

Jay ****ing Bouwmeester is going to play top 4 minutes with Doughty and Subban being 3rd pairing guys, that's a ****ing joke, Doughty playing his offside is still a lot better than Bouwmeester playing his natural side.

Keith Weber
Doughty AP
Vlasic/Bouwmeester-Subban

You are allowe to dress an 13 forward and 7 dmen in games, have Vlasic and Bouwmeester split time as the 3rd pairing LD, and have a legit Olympic top 4, not with one that has jay ****ing Bouwmeester playing top minutes.

you must be an east coast fan. J-Bo is unreal. Probably the best all around skater on canada's D and can eat minutes since his puck movement is great. Plus he has a long reach. He may not deserve top 4 but its not like he's being blown out of the water by the guys in the top 4

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I gave you a lot more then My opinion. The people that have been following the whole process say that price is the consensus starter from the Talks they have heard following the discussion with team Canada brass. Just like quick is starter for the usa team, they heard sitting in with team usa brass. Could things change, of course they can if price gets injured or has a horrible January, but as it stands, Price is going to be the starter.

Funny you first say posters are split, but besides a guy from vancity, or bc or luongo in his name, not one person thinks luongo should start. Then you change your tune to saying it doesn't matter because it didn't match what you said. What is it with homers wanting their hometown idols being the man at the detriment to the team.

Then you say there is a lot of articles and projections that say its a toss up, but yet can't provide one such article or list. I used a list from people who have had inside knowledge of the situation as my list, where is yours???

Nice try at moving the goalposts.
I think you're becoming confused as to who you are responding to.
In no post have I said that Luongo should start.
I've consistently said that it's a tossup and that both goalies will get starts and Babcock will go with the hot goalie. Do you need a link to my posts to remove some of your confusion?
You then call me a homer when countless other posters have said exactly the same thing.
I don't mind posters having different opinions as this is what the board is about. But when you engage in misquoting to try to win an internet argument, you derail the whole discussion.

To try to get it back on track, if you feel that Babcock has decided that Price is the starter then you are certainly entiteld to that opinion. As I said we'll see how it plays out. I'm confident in both goalies and would be more than happy to go with whomever has the hot hand in the tournament. It worked well last time around although I would have preferred that Babcock switched to Luongo earlier. I understand his reasons for giving Marty a lot of leeway though. I certainly didn't see Luongo's Olympic performance the same as you. The save he made in the dying seconds on Pavol Demitra in the Slovak game is etched on my mind, especially given what happened to Demitra after and how he turned back the clock for that tournament.

 

[Pedagogue]

I think the notion of Subban being a #7/PP dman is almost as absurd as him not being a lock at this point

I'm having a great deal of trouble understand how one of the NHL's (nevermind Canada) most complete dmen doesn't have a spot locked down and only appears to be a specialist at the very best right now

The only Canadian-born dmen who are better than Subban at this point is Duncan Keith...maybe a case for Pietrangelo can also be made.

Shea Weber, Drew Doughty might benefit from more pristine reputations...but at this point, they're not better Dmen than Subban is

Agreed, those that don't have Subban on the team, either don't watch hockey or can't be objective when constructing Team Canada.

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

Agreed, those that don't have Subban on the team, either don't watch hockey or can't be objective when constructing Team Canada.

Well when Subban is battling Doughty, Pietrangelo, and Weber as potential Right Shot Dmen, being 4th isn't that bad lol.

-Weber is a big physical force, the only other Dman in contention with his size and strength is Seabrook.
-Doughty plays a similar game to Subban and has a better track record.
-Pietrangelo is just a solid all round defenseman, Doughty and Subban are better offensively and Weber is a more physical force.
-Subban is more physical than Doughty and Pietrangelo, but plays a more high risk game than Weber.

I also have Subban as the 7th D but I would also expect him to be on the top PP unit and would be given a lot of ES shifts but just in more offensive situations.

Anyways, here is my attempt.

Stamkos-Crosby-St Louis
Benn-Tavares-Giroux
Nash-Toews-Bergeron
Couture-Getzlaf-Perry
Duchene
Taxi Squad: Eberle, Lucic

Keith-Doughty
Hamhuis(Vlasic)-Weber
Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo
Subban
Taxi Squad: Vlasic(Hamhuis)

Price
Luongo
Taxi Squad: Smith

 

[Frank the Tank]

in 2002 we lost to the sweds, barely beat germany (3-2), tied the czechs, and then demolished belarus and beat the usa.

its amazing at how some tournaments are ran so sucking can actually help you.

Sweden in 2006 was no different. They threw a game in the round-robin so they could face Switzerland, a team they perceived as a weaker QF opponent.

 

[Whitesnake]

Enough with that high risk game. Unless you think Subban is a complete idiot, Subban plays a more risky game 'cause he happens to be the best player of this Montreal Canadiens. Hence, if things needs to get going, he needs to take risks, just like he did in Dallas. Now.....if he is in a Team Canada, with so many great players.....you will not see him take as many risks. He'll still be great at distributing the puck. Still be very good defensively. Still have his big shot.....but will not be high risk. We are not talking about Marc-André Bergeron here...

 

[hitmen19]

Nice try at moving the goalposts.
I think you're becoming confused as to who you are responding to.
In no post have I said that Luongo should start.
I've consistently said that it's a tossup and that both goalies will get starts and Babcock will go with the hot goalie. Do you need a link to my posts to remove some of your confusion?
You then call me a homer when countless other posters have said exactly the same thing.
I don't mind posters having different opinions as this is what the board is about. But when you engage in misquoting to try to win an internet argument, you derail the whole discussion.

To try to get it back on track, if you feel that Babcock has decided that Price is the starter then you are certainly entiteld to that opinion. As I said we'll see how it plays out. I'm confident in both goalies and would be more than happy to go with whomever has the hot hand in the tournament. It worked well last time around although I would have preferred that Babcock switched to Luongo earlier. I understand his reasons for giving Marty a lot of leeway though. I certainly didn't see Luongo's Olympic performance the same as you. The save he made in the dying seconds on Pavol Demitra in the Slovak game is etched on my mind, especially given what happened to Demitra after and how he turned back the clock for that tournament.

and you seem to not comprehend what im saying. Its not a tossup, they have price penciled in as the starter. The only people ive responded to that have said luongo should start are 99% from BC so homers.

What a lot of leeway are you talking about? Broduer lost to the states and luongo played next game. Do you think he should have been pulled after the first goal or something? Geeeezzzzzz

Yeah he made that great save on demitra, but he also let in a weak second goal from a weak angle to make it 3-2. But I degress again, it doesn't matter if he stood on his head or played horribly FOUR years ago. Its who is playing the best right now, something you don't seem to realize that team Canada Brass is going with.

The usa has Quick penciled in as num 1 because he has been the best the last 2 years and not miller because he was the best FOUR years ago.

 

[CertainAffinity*]

...people still trying to convince themselves that Hall or Eberle have a shot at making this team in any capacity, huh?

Sigh.

 

[joaquinho]

Why not skip the 8th defenceman and go with 15 forwards instead of 14? Will open up more opptunities and be more useful. I think Yzerman mentioned this in the documentary too.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

and you seem to not comprehend what im saying. Its not a tossup, they have price penciled in as the starter. The only people ive responded to that have said luongo should start are 99% from BC so homers.

What a lot of leeway are you talking about? Broduer lost to the states and luongo played next game. Do you think he should have been pulled after the first goal or something? Geeeezzzzzz

Yeah he made that great save on demitra, but he also let in a weak second goal from a weak angle to make it 3-2. But I degress again, it doesn't matter if he stood on his head or played horribly FOUR years ago. Its who is playing the best right now, something you don't seem to realize that team Canada Brass is going with.

The usa has Quick penciled in as num 1 because he has been the best the last 2 years and not miller because he was the best FOUR years ago.

No, I understand you perfectly. You think Price is pencilled in as the starter. I agree that you are entitled to your opinion. But unless you are Babcock you are just engaging in speculation. You can pretend that you know but it's not your call, it's not Marty Brodeur's call and it's not even the Team Canada's brass call. It's Babcocks.

And I disagree with your opinion that the starter is the goalie who is playing the best right now (ignoring the fact that Luongo is not even playing right now as he has been injured). In my opinion, who gets the start will be based in part on their play going into the Olympics but largely on who plays better in the games they are both given. Of course, I am not Babcock either and he may give Luongo the nod because he won gold last time or he may give Price the nod. It's all just specualtion at this point.

 

[Josssh]

I was curious what the team would look like taking the top scorers from Canada that were invited to the selection camp:

Kunitz-Crosby-Giroux
Hall-Getzlaf-Perry
Stamkos-Thornton-St.Louis
Tavares-Toews-Sharp

Extra: E.Staal, Duchene

I tried to keep together some of the pairs for chemistry (Kunitz-Crosby, Getzlaf-Perry, Stamkos-St.Louis, Toews-Sharp)


Marleau and Seguin were higher on the points list but excluded because they weren't invited to the camp.

 

[Giuseppe Sallo]

#Bennation making a comeback on twitter, really hope he makes the team. I like Duchene as well.

 

[ColePens]

Shall we get another thread started up, eh?

 

[Josssh]

I was curious what the team would look like taking the top scorers from Canada that were invited to the selection camp:

Kunitz-Crosby-Giroux
Hall-Getzlaf-Perry
Stamkos-Thornton-St.Louis
Tavares-Toews-Sharp

Extra: E.Staal, Duchene

I tried to keep together some of the pairs for chemistry (Kunitz-Crosby, Getzlaf-Perry, Stamkos-St.Louis, Toews-Sharp)


Marleau and Seguin were higher on the points list but excluded because they weren't invited to the camp.

I did the same as above for defense:

Keith-Seabrook
Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo
Subban-Weber

Ex. Doughty, Boyle


Garrison and Franson were higher in points but excluded because they weren't invited to camp.

 

[therealdeal]

...people still trying to convince themselves that Hall or Eberle have a shot at making this team in any capacity, huh?

Sigh.

Here is the argument for Hall.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/olympics/hall-subban-should-be-sochi-locks-for-canada/

 

[hitmen19]

No, I understand you perfectly. You think Price is pencilled in as the starter. I agree that you are entitled to your opinion. But unless you are Babcock you are just engaging in speculation. You can pretend that you know but it's not your call, it's not Marty Brodeur's call and it's not even the Team Canada's brass call. It's Babcocks.

And I disagree with your opinion that the starter is the goalie who is playing the best right now (ignoring the fact that Luongo is not even playing right now as he has been injured). In my opinion, who gets the start will be based in part on their play going into the Olympics but largely on who plays better in the games they are both given. Of course, I am not Babcock either and he may give Luongo the nod because he won gold last time or he may give Price the nod. It's all just specualtion at this point.

interesting that luongo according to yzerman wasn't even number 2 recently, it was smith
"I think it's Price and Smith." "Or do we just put Price in [another] colour and then evaluate the other three."

quote from http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2...nada-quotes-and-reactions-sochi-olympics-2014,

interesting every insider has price number 1, you know the guys that have inside contacts, and insider knowledge.

and again, I don't think you know how the tournament is set up. Do you think, the coaches need price against Norway and then luongo against Austria to determine who the goalie is to ride? So give them about 10 shots each at the most, and then determine who to ride, but not the months leading up to the games. ummmmmm ok makes sense

 

[Novak Djokovic]

Shall we get another thread started up, eh?

The first two words should be the other way around.

Also, coverage starts at 10:30 AM ET on TSN, but the announcement will be around noon ET.

 

[ColePens]

THen yes.... let's get one started! Closed.