Olympics: 2014 — Canada Roster Discussion (Part XVIII) (St. Louis in for Stamkos)

[Classicnamesup]

Price starting implies he will be the goalie going forward. Both have to perform in their games though or the decision will be made for them.

 

[Leidi J]

PK units (for forwards):

Toews - Nash
Bergeron - Marleau
Carter - Benn

Not sure about the defense corps, but those were the forward units reported from practice.

Read that the first PK unit (one that was first and spent the most time) was Bergeron/Marleau, Doughty/Vlasic so I'd expect to see them out there whenever someone heads to the box

 

[Picaroon]

Hrudey was on HNIC radio just now saying that Bergeron and Marleau on the PK were giving the Canada PP fits throughout practice, said they are just awesome together.

Hell ya. I knew they'd kill it. Marleau was an excellent choice. One of the fastest and most versatile players on the team. Plus he is a vet. I really hope they roll out a Marleau-----Bergeron-----Carter line to defend leads. So much potential for breakaways there. Could really be a game winning line in tight games.

 

[OttawaRoughRiderFan*]

The Swedes are a +2. I hate to see it but Canada is going to have to run up the score tomorrow against Norway.

I predict 8-1.

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

Wow, I'm seeing on twitter that McKenzie is saying, he believes Duchene/Subban are gonna start in the press box behind St Louis/Hamhuis for seniority purposes. As much as I am a Hamhuis fan, I'd rather have Subban out there as a game breaker.

 

[86Habs]

Read that the first PK unit (one that was first and spent the most time) was Bergeron/Marleau, Doughty/Vlasic so I'd expect to see them out there whenever someone heads to the box

Yeah, that was just the order in which they were listed in the Twitter feed I saw. We'll probably rotate through all three units in any given 2 minute kill, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Bergeron/Marleau unit is the first off the bench.

 

[OttawaRoughRiderFan*]

Wow, I'm seeing on twitter that McKenzie is saying, he believes Duchene/Subban are gonna start in the press box behind St Louis/Hamhuis for seniority purposes. As much as I am a Hamhuis fan, I'd rather have Subban out there as a game breaker.

Me, too. I understand that Duchene is cold but Subban?

 

[SB164]

Wow, I'm seeing on twitter that McKenzie is saying, he believes Duchene/Subban are gonna start in the press box behind St Louis/Hamhuis for seniority purposes. As much as I am a Hamhuis fan, I'd rather have Subban out there as a game breaker.

Although it's a shame to see PK not starting tomorrow, Team Canada won't need a game breaker against the likes of Norway. However, I really hope he starts against Austria, or at the very least, Finland.

Norway players must be happy they don't have to block PK's slapshots on the powerplay.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

Duchene has been cold goal scoring wise but has been a PPG the last 30 games or so. There was always a chance he would sit in the press box, but if you picked Duchene over St. Louis when the original selections are made, and now you're going to be playing St. Louis, then why didn't you pick him in the first place?

 

[hersky77]

Wow, I'm seeing on twitter that McKenzie is saying, he believes Duchene/Subban are gonna start in the press box behind St Louis/Hamhuis for seniority purposes. As much as I am a Hamhuis fan, I'd rather have Subban out there as a game breaker.

Just looked at his twitter, there is no mention of that.

 

[TonsofPuppies*]

Is that your reason for why Luongo got the opening game? I'm confused. That Brodeur looked "wobbly" heading into the Olympics?

Brodeur was pegged to be the starter based on his experience. The reason Luongo got the opening game was because it was against Norway, who is a weaker opponent than Switzerland (who we played next). The goalie who gets the "easy" game is typically slatted to be your backup. This time, it's reversed. We play a tougher opponent first (Norway), a game in which Price will start, and Luongo gets the easier game against Austria. This isn't hard to figure out. Unless Price ***** the bed and Luongo looks outstanding against Austria, you can count on Price being in net agains the Finns on Sunday.

 

[SB164]

Me, too. I understand that Duchene is cold but Subban?

After seeing what Karlsson was able to do against Czech Republic, I was looking forward to watching PK against Norway. Oh well.

 

[OttawaRoughRiderFan*]

After seeing what Karlsson was able to do against Czech Republic, I was looking forward to watching PK against Norway. Oh well.

Good point. Strong comparison. I guess I don't watch enough Montreal games because I don't see how the reigning Norris trophy holder could sit.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I cannot track down the exact numbers for a particular day, but this will have to do.

Luongo

December SV%: .944
December GA: 1.68

January SV%: .921
January GA: 2.55


Price

December SV%: .916
December GA: 2.45

January SV%: .891
January GA: 3.37


In January, with the other past months taken into considering too, Luongo had Price beat in every stat marginally for a while (except maybe wins, I don't know). I clearly remember comparing. But I frankly do not care, because I don't like to just look at stats. Just for you guys who think Price has been better than Luongo all year long statistically, there ya go.

Those two months brought Price's sv% down from .936 to ~.919. While Luongos went up to ~.921 at the highest.

When you say his stats were above Prices, one would assume that you meant for the entire season, which is entirely untrue.

Anyways...this should go to the Price/Luongo thread. Feel free to respond to this, in that thread.

 

[hersky77]

Good point. Strong comparison. I guess I don't watch enough Montreal games because I don't see how the reigning Norris trophy holder could sit.

Hockey Canada does things differently, so sitting subban for a dman that brings nothing more to the table then what the other d-man bring is exactly something team canada would do.

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

Just looked at his twitter, there is no mention of that.

@Hope_Smoke was reporting what McKenzie said in a TSN radio interview.

@Hope_Smoke
McKenzie "I would right now, in the absence of any other information, say Price is the go to guy for Canada in net"

@Hope_Smoke
Mckenzie "certainly appear that going in, Duchene & St.Louis are odd men out up front. I'd think Duchene is in press box due to seniority"

@Hope_Smoke
Mckenzie "I'd guess the same situation for Subban on D as for Duchene up front"

 

[Revolution9*]

I implore Canucks and Canadiens fans to get this Luongo vs. Price bickering out of your system now, and in 20.5 hours we unite behind the roster the coaches decide to run with this tournament.




Wishful thinking, I know

It will be easy if people stop trying to make it a vs.

eg:

Who is in for an avatar bet? If Luongo gets the start for the first game of the elimination round I'll don a Luongo team Canada avatar till the end of the Olympics. It can even say something like "I was wrong".

Luongo fans?

Let's watch this together:



Pavelski fires it from the point: There is NO ONE within the hashmarks on the Americans and Luongo boots the save.

1:59:17 and Luongo for some inexplicable reason drops the puck. That is in no way Neidermayer or Weber's fault.

No, he didn't. Crosby, Iginla, and Toews won it. Luongo did his best to change that.


Seriously, the amount of time people put into giving Luongo undeserved credit for nearly costing the game is mind boggling.

Not the sequence I was talking about....

This was tweeted yesterday:

@TSNRyanRishaug
Due to IIHF rules, Luongo was forced to go with two piece glove in Vancouver games, rules changed now, he can keep his one piece.

Though I'm sure this is an "excuse" & nothing more.

Hey Weber clears the puck right up the middle at 1:59:18! Yet gets no flack from you. Hmm?

No I'm talking more about 1:59:29 when Neids & Weber are both just out the circle while 2 Americans are left alone inches in front of the blue paint.

I guess Luongo didn't get credited for the Win... oh wait he did! ....by everyone in the World except for you.

Be honest with me: You can't see how absolutely stupid it is to spend time on something that as you described "nearly happened" aka something that ultimately DID NOT HAPPEN!??!? Can you not see how that is a waste of time? How it really only makes you come off as petty or have some weird grudge/obsession against Luongo? Because in the end of the day the record books still show Luongo as a Gold Medal Winning goalie & no matter how many hours you spend on this message board trying to rewrite history or discredit Luongo that will NEVER change. I'm in NO way saying he was the reason we won... cause he wasn't but you have been trying for YEARS to discredit him for a single play.



Looking forward to watching the game tomorrow. Olympic hockey is amazing in it's pace & skill level. It will be fun to watch & cheer our guys on & hopefully we get that repeat

 

[TonsofPuppies*]

Good point. Strong comparison. I guess I don't watch enough Montreal games because I don't see how the reigning Norris trophy holder could sit.

To be fair, winning the Norris trophy means absolutely nothing anymore. Norris trophy wins are given to the defensemen who get the most points, not the ones who are actually good at well, defending. Erik Karlsson is absolutely horrendous defensively. One of the worst in the league.



I see the Sens play often (I am a Leafs fan) and believe me, this style of "defending" is all in a day's work for Karlsson. PK Subban isn't an amazing defensemen (defensively) either, but he's easily head and shoulders above Karlsson. As for the Subban/Hamhuis debate, I'd rather have PK in the lineup, because Hamhuis brings nothing to the table that Vlasic doesn't. Subban is a potential game breaker on the PP and I'd have in the lineup as a PP specialist at the very least.

 

[Sleeper]

Way to skip over the part where he botched an easy glove save and allowed the Americans to tie.

Way to skip the part where he made an unbelievable save on Demitra in the dying seconds of the semi-final that sent Canada to the finals in the first place. Or the part where Canada was an absolute mess in net following the USA game, and Luongo came in and provided some calm, reliable play that let the rest of the team just focus on playing hockey.

I mean holy crap, he made ONE bad play on the puck that INDIRECTLY lead to the tying goal (yes indirectly, it's not like it went off his glove and right to an American player to put it in the net. Team Canada proceeded to lose puck battles and blow coverages that ultimately lead to the tying goal). I guess that means he's an awful goalie who we won in spite of.

You know Ryan Miller botched an easy save on the Golden Goal when he tried to cheat in preparation for his belief that Crosby would try and drive to the net. Guess that means he was awful and Team USA only got that far in spite of him. I mean that's the logic you're using. One poor play = awful goaltender who needs to be bailed out by his teammates.

And all that being said, I'm totally fine with Carey Price being our guy in Sochi. It's just ridiculous the extent people will go to discredit Luongo. By no means did he stand on his head in 2010, but he was good and gave us a chance to win every game he played.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

Which goalie is starting?

 

[MasterDecoy]

i've never, ever, had any confidence in luongo in any game that mattered. gold or not, he looked shaky as hell and was always fighting the puck.

 

[hersky77]

@Hope_Smoke was reporting what McKenzie said in a TSN radio interview.

@Hope_Smoke
McKenzie "I would right now, in the absence of any other information, say Price is the go to guy for Canada in net"

@Hope_Smoke
Mckenzie "certainly appear that going in, Duchene & St.Louis are odd men out up front. I'd think Duchene is in press box due to seniority"

@Hope_Smoke
Mckenzie "I'd guess the same situation for Subban on D as for Duchene up front"

He's just guessing, but would it shock me to see hamuis play over PK not it wouldn't. I just dont see what Hamuis brings to the table.

 

[SB164]

BrianWilde ‏@BWildeCTV 8m
Friedman says PK likely to play. McKenzie says not.

 

[JackSlater]

Hrudey was on HNIC radio just now saying that Bergeron and Marleau on the PK were giving the Canada PP fits throughout practice, said they are just awesome together.

It's nice. PK should be one of Canada's strengths given personnel and coaches. Big part of the 2010 team.

The Swedes are a +2. I hate to see it but Canada is going to have to run up the score tomorrow against Norway.

I predict 8-1.

They're all adults and professionals. Canada should get all that they can tomorrow, just as their opponents should.

Wow, I'm seeing on twitter that McKenzie is saying, he believes Duchene/Subban are gonna start in the press box behind St Louis/Hamhuis for seniority purposes. As much as I am a Hamhuis fan, I'd rather have Subban out there as a game breaker.

If that is true it's disappointing. Subban is a player Canada could need if down a goal. Hamhuis is steadier, but so is every defenceman in Canada's top six.

I expect that the press box skaters will rotate in the same fashion as the goaltenders. Duchene/St. Louis and Hamhuis/Subban will get a game, and they will decide after that. I am certainly hoping that both Duchene and St. Louis get regular ice time by the elimination games.

 

[JayKing]

Which goalie is starting?

Carey.