2011 Canucks vs 2021 Lightning... who wins a 7 game series?

[CpatainCanuck]

If the Canucks were healthy it would be a very competitive series. They were a depleted team against Boston.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Yer like the king of bad takes.

because I don’t stay up at night and cry like you over a series that happened a decade ago? Lol. Move on. It’s sad now.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

If the Canucks were healthy it would be a very competitive series. They were a depleted team against Boston.

My god. We are still on this.

 

[mathonwy]

because I don’t stay up at night and cry like you over a series that happened a decade ago? Lol. Move on. It’s sad now.

I'd rather get lost in nostalgia than mired in present-day outrage.

Hockey is not supposed to be this stressful.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

I'd rather get lost in nostalgia than mired in present-day outrage.

Hockey is not supposed to be this stressful.

those aren’t your only 2 options.

1) forget about 2011 or 1994. It’s embarrassing to keep harping on what if’s. We lost. It was a decade + ago. Move on.

2) present day hockey isn’t stressful if you manage your expectations. This team is ass. Just realize it. It’s gonna be ass for at least 5 years. No prospects. No money. Nobody wants to sign or stay here. Realize it, then start watching other teams if you love hockey.


This crying about 2011 needs to stop.

 

[mathonwy]

those aren’t your only 2 options.

1) forget about 2011 or 1994. It’s embarrassing to keep harping on what if’s. We lost. It was a decade + ago. Move on.

2) present day hockey isn’t stressful if you manage your expectations. This team is ass. Just realize it. It’s gonna be ass for at least 5 years. No prospects. No money. Nobody wants to sign or stay here. Realize it, then start watching other teams if you love hockey.


This crying about 2011 needs to stop.

 

[wreckless]

guess it would depend on which lighting player Rome KO'd

 

[Snatcher Demko]

With a healthy Malhotra and a healthy Hamhuis, I think it would be a toss up even with Hedman. I think Cooper would have likely ultimately been the difference.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

My god. We are still on this.

Hmm?

 

[Jyrki]

Vasilevsky > Luongo any day of the week for a playoffs series, and that'd be the difference between the two teams.

 

[moog35]

Lightning win. Their top players are just more clutch in the playoffs than our top players were.

 

[strattonius]

You're watching a dynasty with this Tampa team - our 2011 Canucks were a 1 and done. We were decimated by injuries in that Cup final and were definitely a better team than we showed but to argue we would beat this Tampa team is silly.

 

[eliasjx]

Obviously Lightning.. How many cups did that early 2010's Canuck dynasty win?

 

[racerjoe]

Obviously Lightning.. How many cups did that early 2010's Canuck dynasty win?

I said Tampa would win, but how many cups would the Canucks have won if they played the habs and or the stars in the finals?

 

[eliasjx]

I said Tampa would win, but how many cups would the Canucks have won if they played the habs and or the stars in the finals?

0, because they kept their core intact and healthy for 2012 and lost heavily in the first round to the Kings

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I think a seven game series between both teams at full health would be interesting and a hell of a lot of fun.

But I don’t see how you don’t go with the Lightning here.

 

[racerjoe]

0, because they kept their core intact and healthy for 2012 and lost heavily in the first round to the Kings

does Tampa beat that beast of an LA team without Kucherov? Also why wouldn’t they just have one? They still made it to the finals. Your logic isn’t very good.

 

[Zanon]

Can we have a healthy Malhotra too? Because he was a fantastic that year.

 

[Petey O]

0, because they kept their core intact and healthy for 2012 and lost heavily in the first round to the Kings

That Montreal team was only equal to the quality of the 2012 Kings in net and close on defense. Clear edge offensively and system wise to the Kings.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

I think a seven game series between both teams at full health would be interesting and a hell of a lot of fun.

But I don’t see how you don’t go with the Lightning here.

If the premise is that both teams are fully healthy, the Canucks in 2010/11 had significantly better regular season stats than the Lightning of either 2019/20 or 2020/21.

2010/2011 Canucks:
3.15GPG (1st)
2.20GAPG (1st)
0.95GPG Differential

2019/2020 Lightning
3.47 GPG (1st)
2.77GAPG (8th)
0.70 GPG Differential

2020/2021 Lightning
3.21 GPG (8th)
2.59 GAPG (6th)
0.62 GPG Differential

I'm not sure if people are recalling how good that Canucks team was. The Sedins were Art Ross/Lindsay/Hart calibre players. Kesler in 2010/2011 was better offensively than Stamkos of 2020/21 and a Selke winner to boot. When healthy the Canucks D arguably had 5-6 #2 defensemen (even if they had no one defenceman as dominant as Hedman).

 

[vanuck]

If the premise is that both teams are fully healthy, the Canucks in 2010/11 had significantly better regular season stats than the Lightning of either 2019/20 or 2020/21.

2010/2011 Canucks:
3.15GPG (1st)
2.20GAPG (1st)
0.95GPG Differential

2019/2020 Lightning
3.47 GPG (1st)
2.77GAPG (8th)
0.70 GPG Differential

2020/2021 Lightning
3.21 GPG (8th)
2.59 GAPG (6th)
0.62 GPG Differential

I'm not sure if people are recalling how good that Canucks team was. The Sedins were Art Ross/Lindsay/Hart calibre players. Kesler in 2010/2011 was better offensively than Stamkos of 2020/21 and a Selke winner to boot. When healthy the Canucks D arguably had 5-6 #2 defensemen (even if they had no one defenceman as dominant as Hedman).

Another thing is that goal-scoring has gone up compared to where it was 10 years ago, so if you were to adjust for that the goal differentials might be even closer. I'd be curious to see what that's like.

The 2011 Canucks were one of the most dominant regular season teams of all time before they were undone by injuries. There's a good chance it would go the full 7 games.

 

[bertuzzi2bure]

blown away by how quickly people have forgotten how good that 10-11 team was. im assuming those saying it would be lightning ainec are ones who didnt even watch the canucks that season. like others above said, canucks owned the league in every single stat category.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

The 2011 Canucks were one of the most dominant regular season teams of all time before they were undone by injuries. There's a good chance it would go the full 7 games.

i’m not saying this wouldn’t be a close series but two years ago, ie the last normal season, basically this same tb team ran away with the league too. #1 offence, #7 defence (one goal out of the top 5), #1 pp, #1 pk. won the presidents trophy by 21 pts.

runaway hart/ross winner, reigning norris winner, vezina winner

 

[CpatainCanuck]

i’m not saying this wouldn’t be a close series but two years ago, ie the last normal season, basically this same tb team ran away with the league too. #1 offence, #7 defence (one goal out of the top 5), #1 pp, #1 pk. won the presidents trophy by 21 pts.

runaway hart/ross winner, reigning norris winner, vezina winner

And that 2018/19 Lightning Team was swept in the first round by Columbus, with Vasilevskiy posting a .856sv% and 3.83gaa.

I guess my issue is that some of the people giving the clear edge to Tampa Bay in this hypothetical matchup seem to be picking and choosing their stats. For example going back 3 seasons to point to a Tampa Bay team that rivalled Vancouver's regular season dominance in 2010/11, but then ignoring the epic playoff collapse of the Lightning and Vasilevskiy that year. At the same time others in this thread are pointing to Vasilevskiy as the clear X-Factor in this matchup. Luongo and Vasilevskiy's career playoff stats aren't terribly different (Vasilevskiy has a slight edge, though it could be argued he has played on a really good team in every playoffs he has been in, unlike Luongo). Luongo was absolutely fine when he had a stacked and fairly healthy defence going up against meh teams like Nashville and San Jose in 2011.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

And that 2018/19 Lightning Team was swept in the first round by Columbus, with Vasilevskiy posting a .856sv% and 3.83gaa.

I guess my issue is that some of the people giving the clear edge to Tampa Bay in this hypothetical matchup seem to be picking and choosing their stats. For example going back 3 seasons to point to a Tampa Bay team that rivalled Vancouver's regular season dominance in 2010/11, but then ignoring the epic playoff collapse of the Lightning and Vasilevskiy that year. At the same time others in this thread are pointing to Vasilevskiy as the clear X-Factor in this matchup. Luongo and Vasilevskiy's career playoff stats aren't terribly different (Vasilevskiy has a slight edge, though it could be argued he has played on a really good team in every playoffs he has been in, unlike Luongo). Luongo was absolutely fine when he had a stacked and fairly healthy defence going up against meh teams like Nashville and San Jose in 2011.

what’s the more reasonable take home here, that i’m “ignoring” their extremely famous epic collapse or that i’m showing a team that obviously learned some valuable playoff lessons (with their conn smythe winner hurt, mind you) and the won the next two cups?

we are comparing the 2011 canucks to the 2021 lightnings right?