Post-Game Talk: 12/21/17 | Canucks 4 @ Sharks 5 in OT

[Deeds26]

You do realize Brock Boeser isn't having nearly as good a season without the sedins right?

You have this backwards... you do realize the Sedins aren't having nearly as good a season without Brock Boeser right?

Boeser scoring, leads to more focus on him and less on Sedins

Boeser on PP has revitalized the Sedins on the PP

 

[cabinessence]

No Virtanen. Coach is a bit of a dummy I must say.

Why put Jake when you can put out the Sedins to hunt down the puck an take charge?

 

[valkynax]

Woopty-doo. He will get 50 points tops while being poor defensively and painfully slow in a fast league for 7 mil. It really is time for a new act here after 17 years.

Other players get trashed on this board. He was awful in OT and deserves to be called on it.

After this season I really can't see where in the line up we can keep the twins.

I mentioned this before, their production won't sustain 1+2 line. 3rd line has to defend, and they will get undressed night in night out by faster forwards. 4th line you gotta create energy and raise the physicality, something they aren't exactly experts in. It MIGHT work if we really really really want a softer 4th line with a bit of a scoring touch, but the twins will get destroyed easily by opponent's forechecks.

Also with them here Aquaman and Dim Jim will continue to turn the twins into tools for their own refusal to acknowledge how badly this team needs a rebuild.

 

[Addison Rae]

You have this backwards... you do realize the Sedins aren't having nearly as good a season without Brock Boeser right?

Boeser scoring, leads to more focus on him and less on Sedins

Boeser on PP has revitalized the Sedins on the PP

And you think Boeser is scoring as much on the power play with Sam Gagner and Loui Eriksson?

No shit Boeser has been extremely beneficial to the Sedins but no ones talking about turfing him, some posters are acting like the Sedins have been replacement level junk recently despite them being over a PPG the past month, yet they're seen defending duds like Derrick Pouliot in other threads.

 

[cabinessence]

Lol to hearing Henrik always talking about "playing the right way" How the young players have to "play the right way" The Sedins are often really brutal defensively with bad giveaways themselves

That "play the right way" horse bananas must have been given to the organization by some PR firm, as so many players have uttered it, it is becoming as bumpersticker as Trudope's Diversity is our strength. I would love to hear one of these hard hitting journalists ask what the definition of play the right way is. Then have them ask for more clarity wne they hear the thesaurus response.

 

[Cupless44]

Acting like leading the NHL in assists in a month isn't a big deal, but constantly posts about how good Derrick Pouliot is. Yup, seems pretty typical.

He was bad in overtime sure, but acting like these players don't have pro's and wanting to turf them while usually being pro benning's duds is just laughable.

You do realize Brock Boeser isn't having nearly as good a season without the sedins right?

No actually, I noticed that Boeser was playing just fine with Bo Horvat, and I've noticed he continues to thrive while being saddled with Sam Gagner.

I don't think Pouliot is good, I think he is worth a look for a rebuilding team for a 4th round pick on the worst offensive blue line in the NHL. He has been poor defensively of late but so has Hutton, Stecher, Gubrandson, Del Zotto.

For the record I didn't like the Gagner, Vanek, Burmistrov additions and Del Zotto was meh.

 

[Josepho]

The Sedins are still our 4th and 5th best players on the team and I can even see the argument for them being better than Horvat.

You shouldn't be "done" with them if you can sign them cheaply -- they had a rough first month but they've proven that they're absolutely still effective players.

 

[Cupless44]

And you think Boeser is scoring as much on the power play with Sam Gagner and Loui Eriksson?

No **** Boeser has been extremely beneficial to the Sedins but no ones talking about turfing him, some posters are acting like the Sedins have been replacement level junk recently despite them being over a PPG the past month, yet they're seen defending duds like Derrick Pouliot in other threads.

The Sedins still have their moments, but are at their best in limited minutes at 37. I appreciate what they have done here, but after 17 years of it, it is time for a new era after this year and an addition 14 million in cap space, hopefully for a new GM to use. One thing is for sure, trotting them out every overtime should have stopped a while ago.

 

[Addison Rae]

No actually, I noticed that Boeser was playing just fine with Bo Horvat, and I've noticed he continues to thrive while being saddled with Sam Gagner.

I don't think Pouliot is good, I think he is worth a look for a rebuilding team for a 4th round pick on the worst offensive blue line in the NHL. He has been poor defensively of late but so has Hutton, Stecher, Gubrandson, Del Zotto.

For the record I didn't like the Gagner, Vanek, Burmistrov additions and Del Zotto was meh.

I don't think you've grasped how many points Boeser has scored on the power play this year with the Sedins, they're a match made in heaven for each other.

Again, they're not strength on strength players at all but in the role they're being deployed in right now (heavy offensive zone starts) they have been good. Obviously they aren't player you rely on defensively and that's clearly a con in their game at this point of their career. But they're still extremely valuable to the team, and wanting to turf them is ridiculous, who's going to help create offence for this team Sam Gagner? Loui Eriksson?

 

[Jack Burton]

The Sedins are still our 4th and 5th best players on the team and I can even see the argument for them being better than Horvat.

You shouldn't be "done" with them if you can sign them cheaply -- they had a rough first month but they've proven that they're absolutely still effective players.

I could care less.

It's time to close that chapter in canucks history and move on.

This team NEEDS a new culture and identity.

I want the new players who enter that locker room to stare straight into the eyes of Horvat and Boeser to understand what going on...not the Sedins.

 

[Deeds26]

I don't think you've grasped how many points Boeser has scored on the power play this year with the Sedins, they're a match made in heaven for each other.

Again, they're not strength on strength players at all but in the role they're being deployed in right now (heavy offensive zone starts) they have been good. Obviously they aren't player you rely on defensively and that's clearly a con in their game at this point of their career. But they're still extremely valuable to the team, and wanting to turf them is ridiculous, who's going to help create offence for this team Sam Gagner? Loui Eriksson?

Point A) Yes the Sedins are still useful in the Offensive Zone, and on the PP with the right guy
Point B) We need a change, and the Sedins need to focus on winning a cup, it's time to move on so we can get something back for them.
Point C) Horvat, Boeser, Bae, Virtanen and a little Goldy need to step up and create the offence, oh no we might lose a couple games, oh darn! what a shame!

 

[Johnny Canucker]

You mean letting in ar least a PP goal EVERY game and being 67% in the last 8 games is bad?

It is a universal truth now that the PK desperately misses Dorsett and Sutter. Intangibles for the win.

 

[Josepho]

but why do we need to move on from them

why can't they stare into the eyes of all four of those players

 

[JumpierPegasus]

You have this backwards... you do realize the Sedins aren't having nearly as good a season without Brock Boeser right?

Boeser scoring, leads to more focus on him and less on Sedins

Boeser on PP has revitalized the Sedins on the PP

I think it's the opposite. EDIT: To edit this I mean the second paragraph. I think the last part is true, but I think the Sedins are important to Boeser too

The Sedins have always been very good at controlling the PP. They cycle it, they draw in defenders, and because of this, Boeser is able to have a lot of open space to get ready for a shot. It's been a super mutually beneficial relationship as it allows the Sedins to cycle and play to their strengths, and Boeser to use his IQ and shot to get open and rip it, which is his strength. It's really a fantastic trio for a PP

Too bad the rest of this team is terrible. Virtanen has a good game every 3 games or so. You just see these flashes of great play and you wish it was consistent. It's there, the skill is there, it's so disappointing to watch what could be in some shifts.

 

[CherryToke]

I have no problem with re-signing the Twins at a discount (1 year) if they are used properly as low min PP specialists. Green seems to dumb for that though. Maybe if we get a good coach it could work.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Pouliot is not good. None of our D are good. You can’t say we have a good defensman when we let in 5/6/7 goals every game.

No actually, I noticed that Boeser was playing just fine with Bo Horvat, and I've noticed he continues to thrive while being saddled with Sam Gagner.

I don't think Pouliot is good, I think he is worth a look for a rebuilding team for a 4th round pick on the worst offensive blue line in the NHL. He has been poor defensively of late but so has Hutton, Stecher, Gubrandson, Del Zotto.

For the record I didn't like the Gagner, Vanek, Burmistrov additions and Del Zotto was meh.

 

[Canuckle1970]

Daniel and Hank still contribute, but overtime seriously exposes their lack of speed.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Yeah they should hang their heads all the way until their first playoff game....

San Jose should be ashamed and embarrassed about themselves.

This is the 2nd time now, couldn't get a clean victory against a team full of AHLers.

 

[cc]

If you think Nilly would fare well in this game, you're mistaken.

Every goal except the second Thornton one involved a lot of lateral play, and Nilly hasn't shown himself able to respond well when he's forced to move across his crease.

It looked to me that he was set the first 2 goals by Thornton and they went right through him.

Your claim is moot anyway. There's no way to know what would have happened if Nilsson played this game.

 

[Cupless44]

I don't think you've grasped how many points Boeser has scored on the power play this year with the Sedins, they're a match made in heaven for each other.

Again, they're not strength on strength players at all but in the role they're being deployed in right now (heavy offensive zone starts) they have been good. Obviously they aren't player you rely on defensively and that's clearly a con in their game at this point of their career. But they're still extremely valuable to the team, and wanting to turf them is ridiculous, who's going to help create offence for this team Sam Gagner? Loui Eriksson?

lol I don't want to turf them as unceremoniously as you think. They are great canucks. I just personally hope they retire. Maybe after 17 years I just want a different flavour of entertainment. I don't need to watch them for 20 years. I also think it is time to change the leadership group, change the dynamic of this team, and that will be easier with them not here anymore ( though I know management acts like they are the only leaders in hockey)

 

[orcatown]

One huge and obvious question that everyone has to be asking: Why wasn't Virtanen out there in OT??? Green needs to rethink what he did tonight.

Nice to see the team score but wow are they giving away way too many odd man rushes and open shots on net. Team seems to have thrown caution to the wind and is playing a lot of pond hockey. The defensive breakdowns are so frequent that you kind just get use to them.

Good

Virtanen - the best I've ever seen him. Not just the goals but the forecheck, the forcing off turnovers and even the puck management. You get an average defenseman lined up against him and he's in trouble. Virtanen can simply explode in term of exceleration . Maybe the best since Bure. If he can ever harness this talent he could be special. This would be especially so if he learns to come from the behind the play and hits open holes.

Gaunce - best I've seen him as well. Cut in on the net well and moved the puck better. Could criticize his taking of faceoffs in his own zone on the PK and elsewhere (and Green wisely moved him away from this) but Gaunce showed composure with the puck and pressured the puck well in the offensive and neutral zone. His line had tough match ups and some shaky shifts in their own zone but overall Gaunce looked good. If he keeps this up may have to eat my words on some of my criticism. Still I don't think he has knowingly scored a goal in the League. We'll see.

Boeser - still scores even when saddled with Gagner. Made some nifty plays in the offensive zone that should have resulted in something.

Biega - is working his butt off in his own end to cover for mistakes and is, strangely, the most effective d-man in pushing some offense.

Bad

Markstrom - played better in the third but he put the team in a hole with some softies. Does not looked at all settled in goal and was lucky that the Sharks missed some wide open nets.

Burmistrov - one dreadful defensive zone shift at the beginning of the second was enough to get him the hook. Might be the first one out of here on waivers. Only player that might be worse than Gagner.

Pouliot - as pointed out chasing the play. Not keeping the proper puck-man relationship and ends up losing either his man or the puck. Starting to look like Hutton in terms of this. Like him to show a little more goal line to blue line speed so he could better support the puck.

Granlund - how many chances did he blow. Very good work on the PP by the team and Granlund can't shoot it in from the crease. Again very disappointing player. Needs to get his head in the game. There are just no aspect of the game where he is doing much at all.

PK - forwards are not getting enough pressure on the puck and they are leaving lanes wide open. Probably miss Sutter, Horvat and Dorsett here who were doing an excellent job to start the season.

Gagner - seems to spend as much time picking himself up off the ice as he does playing. Hard to do much from your backside. Boeser should get a Calder boost for scoring with this guy as his center.

Others

Dowd - did enough good to make up for some difficult periods in his end. At this point looks like decent stop gap pick up.

Boucher - made a couple of nice deflections and was ok in the first. Faded in the second and basically didn't play much at all. Be nice to find a fit for this player b/c he is talented but does need a good center.

Stecher - really hasn't got the jump he had before the injury. Needs to get his shot on net rather than booming it off the end boards. Could a say the same for other D-man as well.

Sedins - like the team. Some good offensive efforts but not good inside their blue line.


If you are with the tank this is frustrating game. With so many out we need to be losing every night. When some get back we will actually be too good to bottom out. Need to do that now.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

“I didn’t mind our game tonight”

T G

 

[Josepho]

basing your opinion on a player's entertainment value or style is a terrible way to evaluate a hockey players.

we've looked exponentially more entertaining without tanev but look at our f***ing record.

 

[BROCK HUGHES]

I could care less.

It's time to close that chapter in canucks history and move on.

This team NEEDS a new culture and identity.

I want the new players who enter that locker room to stare straight into the eyes of Horvat and Boeser to understand what going on...not the Sedins.

I would bet ,,they are back next season,as much as it is total time to move on from them,,,we have idiots running the team who will bring them back

 

[Bleach Clean]

Kevin Labanc, 6th rounder in 2014 is on pace for 50 points. What is the worth of those depth picks again?