OT: 101st Obsequious Banter Thread: The One After One 0 0, Oh My

[dragonoffrost]

@Hollywood Cannon

F that

 

[Embiid]

So will someone answer a question for me? Why couldn’t the police enter a school that had a armed assailant for 40 minutes or whatever it was. They knew the guy only had one thing in mind when he entered the school. They saw him. Why couldn’t they take him down before he entered the school. Then they had to wait until border patrol showed up.
So many things don’t make sense.

Enter Infowars....

 

[dragonoffrost]

It's ridiculous to pay the high entry fee and then pay even more to get to do the best stuff.

As an amusement park junkie I pay for my season pass then buy the get out of line wristband on busy days... But no way will I pay that price for one ride

 

[trostol]

Ray Liotta passed away in his sleep at age 67

 

[Embiid]

Good guys looking out for their own..

WATCH: Texas Police Spox on Live TV Confirmed Cops Went In for Their Own Kids During Uvalde Shooting

Texas Department Public Safety spokesman Lt. Christopher Olivarez confirmed to a reporter during a live shot that police officers went into Robb Elementary School to get their own children during the massacre. Amid outrage over reports that frantic families who complained about police inaction...

www.mediaite.com

 

[Rebels57]

FWIW, I haven't shared any thoughts on this issue, so please don't tell me I'd rather do nothing. I just called you out for you resorting to attacking and calling people names just because they don't have the same beliefs as you.

I don't own a gun, I've never shot a gun, I've never had any desire to own a gun, but thank you for assuming.

If I mischaracterized your views on this by assuming they were in line with the poster you were defending (sort of) and regularly agree with, I do apologize for that.

 

[Rebels57]

It's ridiculous to pay the high entry fee and then pay even more to get to do the best stuff.

To be fair you dont have to pay extra to ride it...you'll just have to wait in line for hours. Thats fine for some but not for me..ill pay the $14-17. Hate wasting time waiting in lines.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

False, the kinetic energy imparted from an AR-15 round is massively larger than a handgun round. Organs are ruptured to a degree that doesn't happen with slower rounds. Bones are shattered to a degree that doesn't happen with slower rounds.

There is a myth that the AR-15 platform fires an underpowered round. It's exactly that: a myth. There are accounts from the 1870s of soldiers firing .51 and .45-70 rounds and complaining they are too weak despite being able to down a horse with one shot. Every soldier through the ages tends to always be convinced their bullets are the worst and demands more power.

Nothing I've said is incorrect. The .233 round can kill. The military has been using it the last 60 years. But you can take multiple shots in the vitals and survive. The military has been reporting this since Vietnam. I've shot deer with wide, heavier bullets moving faster than the .223 (kinetic energy) and have left holes barley bigger than the round itself.

 

[FlyerNutter]

If I mischaracterized your views on this by assuming they were in line with the poster you were defending (sort of) and regularly agree with, I do apologize for that.

Do you have a list perhaps?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Nothing I've said is incorrect. The .233 round can kill. The military has been using it the last 60 years. But you can take multiple shots in the vitals and survive. The military has been reporting this since Vietnam. I've shot deer with wide, heavier bullets moving faster than the .223 (kinetic energy) and have left holes barley bigger than the round itself.

I don't know what to tell you except to go check out the huge body of ballistics and medical research that disagrees with your statement.

Edit: by the way, both sides of the Vietnam war were absolutely certain their opponents' rounds were stronger. Every soldier is positive they're effective and it's the bullets that aren't.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ray Liotta passed away in his sleep at age 67

This is something that didn't surprise me when I heard it. I always felt he looked kinda not-great for some years now.

Still, wouldn't have expected Paul Scorvino to outlast him.

 

[Rebels57]

It just gets worse and worse..

He shot toward two witnesses across the street at a funeral home before walking into one of the buildings, making entry to the school at about 11:40 a.m., Escalon said.

Despite previous accounts provided by law enforcement, Escalon said the shooter was not confronted by a police officer on the campus.

About four minutes later, local police including the Uvalde Police Department arrived on the scene.

"They hear gunfire, they take rounds, they get back, take cover, and during that time, they approach where the suspect is at," he said.

During that time, the shooter made his way through the hallways of one of the buildings and walked into a classroom that, according to Escalon, had its doors open.

"The initial officers, they received gunfire," Escalon said. "They received gunfire. They don't make entry initially because of the gunfire they receive, but we have officers calling for additional resources — everybody in that area."

The requested resources included negotiators, body armor, and a tactical team to the school. Escalon said officers also proceeded to try to evacuate students and teachers. But despite the large law enforcement presence surging on the school, officers then waited more than an hour for a tactical team from Border Patrol to arrive before confronting the shooter.

Officials will be conducting a review of the incident, including looking at whether officers could have arrived sooner to the school. Rep. Joaquin Castro called for that review to be handled by the FBI to clear up the "conflicting accounts" of local authorities.

"You got to understand, it's a small town," Escalon told reporters on Thursday.

But Escalon declined to answer questions as to whether law enforcement followed best practices for active shooter situations, which include attempting to confront the gunman immediately in order to reduce the number of injured and casualties.

"Law enforcement’s purpose is to stop the active shooter as soon as possible," a Department of Homeland Security pamphlet reads, as one example. "Officers will proceed directly to the area in which the last shots were heard."

They arrived 4 minutes after the shooter. He fired at them and so they took cover and did nothing, allowing him to then go to a classroom.

Had they the courage to do their jobs, they could have saved lives.

Police Haven’t Explained Why It Took Them An Hour To Confront The Uvalde School Shooter

www.msn.com

 

[Flybynite]

 

[Tripod]

In no way in the answer to the US issues with mass shootings, to give teachers guns. Christ sake.

Teachers get shit pay, deal with lots of shitty kids raised by shitty parents and as a whole, most have a heart of gold. As we have seen, they often sacrifice themselves for the kids. They don't want guns. They don’t want violence.

Fix the actual f***ing problem. People don't need to have guns on them in public. People don't need to EVER own a semi automatic weapon.

You want the right to bear Arms, well then you get the gun when that shit was written. They never envisioned today's world especially the US issues with guns.

But nothing will get done because your system is broken. Canada passed laws after its mass shooting and 2 years later, there was change. Sadly the US Is CLEARLY divided and care more about money and their side, than fixing a broken system.

 

[Lord Defect]

AR-15 is not a gun that is usually fired once correct? Isn’t the weapon made to fire multiple rounds in a few seconds?
I don’t care who owns a gun if it is for self defense. I just think it should be harder to obtain one then it is now. Especially in a state like Texas where you can buy something that kills just as easy as anything else.

It’s designed to fire as fast as one can pull the trigger. One bullet per pull. The same capability as a semi auto handgun or semi auto shotgun.

So will someone answer a question for me? Why couldn’t the police enter a school that had a armed assailant for 40 minutes or whatever it was. They knew the guy only had one thing in mind when he entered the school. They saw him. Why couldn’t they take him down before he entered the school. Then they had to wait until border patrol showed up.
So many things don’t make sense.

They could have and should have. I don’t claim to know for certain of their procedures but I believe it’s held standard that a barricade situation is to stand by for further instructions but gunshots being heard is a clear signal to go.
As far as him entering the building, info about that seems to change constantly so I won’t comment on that beyond not understanding why they didn’t stop him there, wonder how he got in, and why they didn’t follow him in then. He wasn’t barricaded at that point he was fleeing.

 

[trostol]

Am I dreaming this or wasn't there an idea way back that the constitution should be changed every 20 years or so

 

[achdumeingute]

Am I dreaming this or wasn't there an idea way back that the constitution should be changed every 20 years or so

yes. I believe it was from pres #3 Jefferson. On paper, good idea. In America's two party system, it's a recipe for more do nothingness than already exists.

 

[Lord Defect]

It just gets worse and worse..




They arrived 4 minutes after the shooter. He fired at them and so they took cover and did nothing, allowing him to then go to a classroom.

Had they the courage to do their jobs, they could have saved lives.

Police Haven’t Explained Why It Took Them An Hour To Confront The Uvalde School Shooter

www.msn.com

We may vehemently disagree on things but we agree here whole heartedly

 

[Cody Webster]

It's ridiculous to pay the high entry fee and then pay even more to get to do the best stuff.

Yep. It's all a huge racket now. They got you there and they know they can still get more money out of you, so they are going to take advantage as much as they can

 

[Cody Webster]

Go for it. Just saying it’s not going to lead anywhere. You can let people be angry

They can be angry, but they don't have to act like a child

 

[Rebels57]

Meanwhile the Uvalde PD were protecting the parking lot

 

[Lord Defect]

Meanwhile the Uvalde PD were protecting the parking lot

And taser a parent and cuffed another, if I read it right

Not cuffed, detained. She got away and got into the school after jumping a fence and got her kid back out of the school.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Meanwhile the Uvalde PD were protecting the parking lot

They were more worried about parents running in the building then running in themselves to try and stop a tragedy

 

[Cody Webster]

F that

Surprised they are actually lowering it to only $14 after the weekend. Rise is $15, which is the highest and nearly two years old. Surprised they aren't making it $20

 

[achdumeingute]

Surprised they are actually lowering it to only $14 after the weekend. Rise is $15, which is the highest and nearly two years old. Surprised they aren't making it $20

And this stuff still sells out in like 2 hrs right? (I'm going in two weeks).