1000 goals
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gary69
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It depends on which goals are counted. Romario has also scored 1000 goals overall.
Thousandth goal
On 20 May 2007, Romário scored his 1000th goal, a penalty kick against Sport Recife, playing for Vasco da Gama. The Brazilian press claimed him as one of few players in professional football history to achieve this, like Pelé, Puskás, Friedenreich and Binder.[25] The 1000th goal drew much attention from both Brazilian and international press, with the game being stopped for over 20 minutes to allow for celebrations from his fans.[26][27][28][29] There is some controversy over the validity of the 1000 goals, because the number is somewhat inaccurate and Romário's research team also counted his goals in junior, friendly and non-official games.[30]
FIFA congratulated Romário on his milestone goal[31] but stated he is still officially on 929 goals, as 77 came in youth football, with others being scored in unofficial friendly matches.[32] RSSSF estimated his career tally to be 968 goals in 1188 games.[8] In 2008, Romário released a DVD with the best goals of his career totaling 900 goals in the disc.[33] Following the landmark goal, Vasco da Gama unveiled a statue of Romário at the Estádio São Januário.[34]
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Ronaldo's goal total is probably the most impressive one in history as there are a lot of subpar goals counted for Pele. It's hard to see anyone scoring official 1000 goals these days, if somebody has an amazing 24-year career from 16 year old until 40, he would still need to score an average of 41,7 goals every year. Seems impossible.
Thousandth goal
On 20 May 2007, Romário scored his 1000th goal, a penalty kick against Sport Recife, playing for Vasco da Gama. The Brazilian press claimed him as one of few players in professional football history to achieve this, like Pelé, Puskás, Friedenreich and Binder.[25] The 1000th goal drew much attention from both Brazilian and international press, with the game being stopped for over 20 minutes to allow for celebrations from his fans.[26][27][28][29] There is some controversy over the validity of the 1000 goals, because the number is somewhat inaccurate and Romário's research team also counted his goals in junior, friendly and non-official games.[30]
FIFA congratulated Romário on his milestone goal[31] but stated he is still officially on 929 goals, as 77 came in youth football, with others being scored in unofficial friendly matches.[32] RSSSF estimated his career tally to be 968 goals in 1188 games.[8] In 2008, Romário released a DVD with the best goals of his career totaling 900 goals in the disc.[33] Following the landmark goal, Vasco da Gama unveiled a statue of Romário at the Estádio São Januário.[34]
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Ronaldo's goal total is probably the most impressive one in history as there are a lot of subpar goals counted for Pele. It's hard to see anyone scoring official 1000 goals these days, if somebody has an amazing 24-year career from 16 year old until 40, he would still need to score an average of 41,7 goals every year. Seems impossible.
Adele Dazeem
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Pele - the most overrated player in the history.
He's not even in my top-10 of all time players.
He's not even in my top-10 of all time players.
Jussi
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It’s not a rumour but it deserves some explanations. Pelé scored 1282 goals during his pro career, 32 of those were scored for teams that were not oficial such as:
- State of São Paulo team (even thou, at that time the São Paulo x Rio de Janeiro clash was a real big thing);
- Brazilian army team;
- southeastern (of Brazil) team.
The others 1250 goals were scored this way:
Cosmos 64;
Seleção Brasileira 95;
Santos 1091.
The main thing here is the quality of the oposition. I don’t need to say a thing about NASL, everybody knows the level of competition there, so I will focus on the brazilian team and Santos.
Until the 80s there was no other relevant National team in all América besides Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay (save it for Peru in the early 70), so most of the games played were against weaker competition and it used to be a win by a large marge. So WC qualifiers, Copa América and most of friendly games were a great chance to enhance those Numbers, but let’s not forget that Pele did a great job (when healthy) in 2 WC against top european talent.
There was a similar situation (even worse) when he was playing for Santos. Until the early 2000s the brazilian soccer schedule was like this: one semester for the National champioship, the other one for the state champioship. To make it easier to you understand, it was like this: July thru December the Kings, the Ducks and the Sharks play against each other and other NHL teams. January - June they play against Bakerfield Condors, San Diego Gulls, Ontario Reign, Barracudas... So, imagine how many points Joe Thornton would have by now in a schedule like this.
I do think Pele was the best ever. But his numbers would look a bit different if he was playing in todays game (even thou Neymar is about to break his Brazilian team, anyway take a look at the goal per game ratio).
Do not forget that soccer is a team sport and Pele always had great parterships. Garrincha, Didi, Pepe, Coutinho, that 1970 team... that’s should be counted as well.
Don't think anyone does it in today's football, but it's worth noting Mbappe has more goals than Ronaldo or Messi at the same age.
Mhm. Brazil won zero Copa América titles between 1949 and 1989, while even Paraguay won several. Brazil may have been one of the stronger teams regardless, but it was nowhere near that lopsided.
The Sharks would also have a massive roster and top players would often skip games against weaker opposition. These were not higher scoring affairs than the national tournaments even if some of the opponents were nominally weaker.
Adele Dazeem
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My list is in terms of TALENT; not Cup success, team success...
1. Maradona
2. Ronaldo
3. Messi
4. Cruyff
5. Ronaldinho
6. Cristiano
7. Beckenbauer
8. Zidane
9. Di Stefano
10. Iniesta
Pele would be in the 12-15 region near Muller, Platini and Best
You'd be better off not mentioning Best than insinuating that Andrés Iniesta was more talented.
Adele Dazeem
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Andres Iniesta was the definition of the Spanish revolution (changed the framework of modern day football) and domination from the late 2008-2014. Best which I consider to be the best British player in history never achieved such recognition.
John Pedro
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It's not as simple as that. In Pelé's days, even the smallest Brazilian club had tons of talented players that would be a starter or even stars for UCL contenders. See: Careca before joining Sao Paulo then moving to Napoli to play with Maradona and dominate Serie A, was playing for Guarani in SP state league where he led them to a Brasileirao Serie A and Serie B title. Back in that day, it was so much harder to poach talent from other clubs and Europe hardly had any of the top Brazilian players.
Not arguing about those made up teams that he scored on, but you can't forget the context. In his day, Santos would travel to Europe and he would still drop a lot of goals on them
Pele and Santos against French sides: 8 wins, 1 draws, 11 goals out of 37 by Pele.
Vs Netherland sides: 2 wins, 0 d, 0 losses: 4 goals out of 8 by Pele
vs Portugal: 8 wis, 2 draws, 13 goals out of 36 by Pele
Vs Spain: 5 wins, 3 draws, 6 losses, 9 goals out 30 by Pele
vs West Germany: 16 w, 2 d, 1 L: 29 goals out of 85 by Pele
vs Italy: 29 w, 2 d, 7 losses: 41 goals out of 110 by Pele
vs English sides: 5w, 2 draws, 1 loss: 9 goals out of 19 by Pele
7 goals + 3 assist in 3 games in the 'club world cup' against UCL winners Benfica in 62 and Millan 63
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Iniesta was an important and reliable part of teams that achieved a lot no doubt, but that's just outcome defined by collective work. If you speak of individual talent then he's not even on the same page with the likes of George Best. You listed Ronaldinho as #5, but even his skill level was not as high above his peers as Best was. From Brazil the only other player except Pelé that could compare was Garrincha.
Adele Dazeem
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I give high praise to Iniesta simply because he was the main cog in those historical teams. Being known as the main piece in teams of that caliber speaks volumes to his talent. Specifically his vision and ball control are legendary. Best is better physically and perhaps technically, but his dominance didn't reach the international stage where the competition would be a fairer judge of his apparent talent.
Don't forget that the skill level of footballers has exponentially risen. Professionals have better diets, exercise regimens, and technology to help them achieve more. So for players dominating currently or recently; their stock is higher when compared to those who dominated in the 50's, 60's and to a lesser extent the 70's. Di Stefano is an outlier on my list because he set unimaginable records in Europe (which overall is the strongest continent when it comes to club football; both now and in history).
Adele Dazeem
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Looks he's overrated. Is he a legend, absolutely. The best ever? No chance if you ask me.
Jussi
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Pelé was literally the perfect package. Could score with both feet from close and long range, superb dribbler, great in the air for his size (looked to be sailing at his own heights like CR7 on some goals), fast, almost impossible to knock down, elite offensive awareness, could easily set up team mates instead of scoring himself. He was almost a cheat code.
With modern training and refereeing, he'd be unstoppable in any league. He'd even score at Stoke on a rainy November night.
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Brazil won 3 WC, a 2nd place and a 3rd in that spam. Until 93 we did not bring our best squad to copa america.
About the sharks, I was just trying to explain how things used to be and you are arguing about something that is impossible to happen.
I can't see how anyone would rank Maradona above Pele. Nor Ronaldo, Cruyff, Dinho, etc...
Jussi
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His relatively short peak and being so one footed should be enough to knock him down.
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Definitely one of the most talented players of all time... but still doesn't have anything that 100% puts him over those guys that's for sure.
Adele Dazeem
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There is no point in debating with some you, because you have your heads stuck all the way up your youknowwhats.
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