03-06 centres vs 13-16 centres (draft)

[Snippit]

A lot of stud centres were drafted from 2013-2016, but how do they stack up against the previous decade?

03-06:

Crosby
Malkin
Toews
Staal
Bergeron
Getzlaf
Kopitar
Giroux
Stastny

13-16:

McDavid
Mackinnon
Barkov
Eichel
Matthews
Point
Larkin
Barzal
Aho

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[KoozNetsOff 92]

Backstrom? But either way it's 03-06.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

03-06. Other than Stastny, there's a good chance everyone else on that list will make the HoF at some point.

 

[Snippit]

Backstrom? But either way it's 03-06.

Yeah I forgot about him. He would be there over Stastny.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

03-06 right now.
Would take a lot to change that

 

[thadd]

100/100 Crosby - McDavid
97-99/100 Malkin - MacKinnon - Eichel
94-96/100 Toews - Barkov - Bergeron - Getzlaf - Kopitar
90-93/100 Staal - Matthews - Giroux - Point
>90/100 Stastny - Larkin - Barzal - Aho

 

[Dekes For Days]

These results will be a blowout solely because people don't understand the significant impact of PP time on production.

 

[wetcoast]

03-06. Other than Stastny, there's a good chance everyone else on that list will make the HoF at some point.

You mean Stastny and Stall right?


Then again Backstrom should be in the 03-06 grouping.

 

[wetcoast]

These results will be a blowout solely because people don't understand the significant impact of PP time on production.

I think it will be a blowout because the 13-16 players still have a ton of their careers to play out yet.

Still too early to tell really.

Also Draisaitl is every bit of a center as Giroux is and should be on the 13-16 list ahead of Larkin.

 

[Snippit]

I think it will be a blowout because the 13-16 players still have a ton of their careers to play out yet.

Still too early to tell really.

Also Draisaitl is every bit of a center as Giroux is and should be on the 13-16 list ahead of Larkin.

Yeah no lol. Giroux actually played the centre position for several seasons before converting to wing.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

You mean Stastny and Stall right?


Then again Backstrom should be in the 03-06 grouping.

Staal might end up making the HoF for the same reason a lot of players with longevity do as compilers. He's had enough high end seasons (and has a Cup) that if he can stick around long enough for the career milestones like 500+ goals and 1000+ points, he might get in.

 

[heretik27]

Carter, Pavelski, and Kesler were from 2003 too.
Krejci in 2004.
Backstrom in 2006.

All solid centers. Easier to judge them at this point since they've played a good amount of years in the league vs the Keller's and PLD's in the more recent years. Maybe they turn out great too?

 

[Love]

Also Draisaitl is every bit of a center as Giroux is and should be on the 13-16 list ahead of Larkin.

Except Giroux was a centre for like 10 years

 

[b in vancouver]

Krejci, Carter, Backstrom, Pavelski, Backes, Kesler and even M. Richards, all deserve to be mentioned - and at least five of them before Statsny.
Despite '04-'06 not being deep drafts we still got some of the top centres in the league out of them.
the younger group has a tonne of talent but that older group has dominated the league, playoffs and awards for so long that it's near impossible not to vote for them.

 

[wetcoast]

Yeah no lol. Giroux actually played the centre position for several seasons before converting to wing.

And Leon has averaged over 1000 face offs per season as well as playing center away from McDavid during his time in the NHL.

 

[wetcoast]

Staal might end up making the HoF for the same reason a lot of players with longevity do as compilers. He's had enough high end seasons (and has a Cup) that if he can stick around long enough for the career milestones like 500+ goals and 1000+ points, he might get in.

The only way Eric Staal gets into the HHOF is if he buys a ticket.

 

[wetcoast]

Krejci, Carter, Backstrom, Pavelski, Backes, Kesler and even M. Richards, all deserve to be mentioned - and at least five of them before Statsny.
Despite '04-'06 not being deep drafts we still got some of the top centres in the league out of them.
the younger group has a tonne of talent but that older group has dominated the league, playoffs and awards for so long that it's near impossible not to vote for them.

Pretty much agree with this but if we look at overall careers I think it's way to early to tell as some of the 13 to 16 group are going to win more awards and SCs in the future.

 

[Hustlr]

100/100 Crosby - McDavid
97-99/100 Malkin - MacKinnon - Eichel
94-96/100 Toews - Barkov - Bergeron - Getzlaf - Kopitar
90-93/100 Staal - Matthews - Giroux - Point
>90/100 Stastny - Larkin - Barzal - Aho

What exactly puts Barkov in with those multiple cup winners? And Eichel above them?

 

[thadd]

What exactly puts Barkov in with those multiple cup winners? And Eichel above them?

It's my personal opinion.
Eichel seems to be putting it all together and I was totally sold on the entire Eichel hype train before he was drafted.
Love Barkov's overall game. Had wicked offense and he's effective in many situations that other centers in his group aren't and probably will never be. Example: You wouldn't see him aimlessly chasing Pasta around the ice before seeing his team getting scored on like Matthew did recently.

 

[Regal]

And Leon has averaged over 1000 face offs per season as well as playing center away from McDavid during his time in the NHL.

Not the same. Draisaitl has never had an extended period of success centering his own line. Giroux has two top 3 point seasons centering his

 

[Snippit]

And Leon has averaged over 1000 face offs per season as well as playing center away from McDavid during his time in the NHL.

Face-offs don't make you a centre. He's taken a bunch of those face-offs while on McDavid's line.

He's played more at wing than at centre, and the majority of his production has come at wing.

 

[b in vancouver]

Pretty much agree with this but if we look at overall careers I think it's way to early to tell as some of the 13 to 16 group are going to win more awards and SCs in the future.

For sure. No slight on the kids as they're amazing and have long careers ahead of them, but that's a tough group to live up to never mind surpass. That's near every Stanley Cup since the draft. Harts, Selkes, Conn Smythes. Staal, Sid, Geno and Toews had already led their teams to Cups by this age. Kopitar, Bergeron and Krejci weren't much older. That's just an incredibly successful group of centres.

Team sport and Cups aren't everything but off the top my head that's gotta be 15 or more Stanley Cup rings and another 10 or so Finals appearances. For this younger group to have 25 or more Finals appearances in the next decade is going to be tough.

 

[ijuka]

13-16 for me. Chances are, some more will emerge.

 

[wetcoast]

Face-offs don't make you a centre. He's taken a bunch of those face-offs while on McDavid's line.

He's played more at wing than at centre, and the majority of his production has come at wing.

Are you talking about his career or just this season?

Leon has played alot of center in his NHL career.

Also taking faceoffs is what a center does right?

 

[Snippit]

Are you talking about his career or just this season?

Leon has played alot of center in his NHL career.

Also taking faceoffs is what a center does right?

Like I said, the majority of his production in his career has been at wing.

And no, there's more to being a centre than just taking the face-offs. If you've ever played hockey you'd know there's a huge difference.