People are only pissed because he ended up being a great player. There have been plenty of college FAs to not sign with the team that drafted them with 0 outrage (yes I know he was traded before that happened but he was probably willing to go that route.).
The Players' Tribune: “There’s No Place Like Home” by Adam Fox
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People are only pissed because he ended up being a great player. There have been plenty of college FAs to not sign with the team that drafted them with 0 outrage (yes I know he was traded before that happened but he was probably willing to go that route.).
People are generally pretty pissed when a college kid they drafted makes it clear they won't sign. It's generally more limited though to the one fan base that gets burned.
Right. I don't remember Kerfoot, Butcher, Vesey, Hayes attracting much hate or vitriol. Certainly not people having the gall to call them trash or POS
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I certainly remember Vesey being vilified a lot on here when that situation was going on.
Yeah. Rangers used to practice over in Long Beach. They still have a strong presence in youth hockey here at rinks in Great Neck, Freeport, Dix Hills, etc with their Learn to Play programs (with alumni support and appearances.)
Not sure if there are more Ranger fans here, sometimes it seems like an even split, like Jets and Giants, Mets-Yanks, it's not like once you cross the Queens-Nassau border that one has to change team allegience. Doesn't matter much, Fox is playing where he wants to be and for a team he wants to play for.
Cheers.
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The fact that the Rangers seem to be the ones that continually benefit from the NCAA loophole makes it especially BS. It's just not fair at the end of the day that everybody else has to try and draft well, and the Rangers also get to draft and also every couple years seem to get a top prospect somebody else drafted originally walk right into their organization as a prospect free agent. To whomever said Vesey didn't get backlash, that's way wrong. Preds fans were very mad. The reason there isn't some long-standing grudge is because Vesey turned out to be not that good. At the time though he was the Hobey Baker Award Winner. It was a pretty big deal.
I don't think Fox or any of the others that have taken advantage deserve to get personally vilified. At the end of the day, it's just a bad rule. The draft is supposed to be the means by which players are allocated to the league. Because the timing of when players are drafted (18) and when they may be ready for the League (often early 20s) that creates this disconnect that's allowing players to take advantage of the system and get around that. I don't think anybody in the NHL is interested in a free for all where the McDavids and Bedards and such can just pick whom they sign with as a 18 year olds, but this sort of system where players get to have free rides to top tier universities that pay for their education while they develop as hockey players between the time they are drafted and when they are ready for the NHL is giving them a pass to get around the draft system entirely. It's a de-facto special treatment for players that go that route even if it's not a de jure special treatment.
I don't like it personally from a competitive balance standpoint. I'd like for it to be addressed. I think a system where it's not tied solely to years post-draft is the fairest and looking at years after they become "professional". If you made Adam Fox go play in Switzerland for a year or two after he finished up at Harvard, it'd make it a lot less likely that he'd leverage that sort of power to become a free agent the same way that you don't see very many guys that go the CHL route (where they're typically done a year or two after they were drafted before they go Pro) do this "Justin Schultz Loophole" thing.
I don't think Fox or any of the others that have taken advantage deserve to get personally vilified. At the end of the day, it's just a bad rule. The draft is supposed to be the means by which players are allocated to the league. Because the timing of when players are drafted (18) and when they may be ready for the League (often early 20s) that creates this disconnect that's allowing players to take advantage of the system and get around that. I don't think anybody in the NHL is interested in a free for all where the McDavids and Bedards and such can just pick whom they sign with as a 18 year olds, but this sort of system where players get to have free rides to top tier universities that pay for their education while they develop as hockey players between the time they are drafted and when they are ready for the NHL is giving them a pass to get around the draft system entirely. It's a de-facto special treatment for players that go that route even if it's not a de jure special treatment.
I don't like it personally from a competitive balance standpoint. I'd like for it to be addressed. I think a system where it's not tied solely to years post-draft is the fairest and looking at years after they become "professional". If you made Adam Fox go play in Switzerland for a year or two after he finished up at Harvard, it'd make it a lot less likely that he'd leverage that sort of power to become a free agent the same way that you don't see very many guys that go the CHL route (where they're typically done a year or two after they were drafted before they go Pro) do this "Justin Schultz Loophole" thing.
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Sounds like you have something to share bud. I said his dad works at a local bank, that does not in any way make you affluent unless you’re maybe an executive. Give me a break.
He could have sat out until he was a UFA, MAYBE you’d have a case there but seems like Calgary made off pretty well and Carolina knew the deal when they traded for him. So how is he entitled? Sounds like you need some water. He had leverage and he used it. CGY and CAR don’t seem annoyed, just the fans? Get over it. You’re wrong.
Cry me a river. The fans are the ones upset, not GMs so that should tell you something
Yes agreed. Thank you for keeping all of us in check on the definition of “hometown” He’s a total fraud because he grew up 30 miles from MSG.
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Like I said, I'm not going to dump their personal info on a message board. But it's if you just google the parents' name and direct your search to key indicators of wealth, it's pretty obvious they're affluent. Not rich rich, but well to do.
There is so much wrong here, I don’t even know where to begin. Not worth it though.
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Very mature response, thank you! You addressed none of what I said.
What do you mean GMs aren't upset? Here's David Poile on Jim Vesey for instance "Every indication was that he was going to sign with us," Poile said. "His dad had told me, had told (Predators coach) Peter Laviolette, Scott Nichol, Paul Fenton, that his son was going to sign with us. And Jimmy himself told Paul Fenton prior to the trade deadline, which was an important time for us because it was our last opportunity to change our team. We told him if he was going to sign with us we were going to keep a position available for him, and he told us that he was going to sign with us."
“Very disappointing news obviously for the Nashville Predators, our fans, and our team.” He later added: “This is a shock.”
Bit of a far cry from "Hey, congrats Jimmy, go crush it in New York!"
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"There's no place like home if you refuse to play for the teams that draft or trade for you". Imagine going along with that story and title with the history on how you got there. Fox is a great player but an absolute douchebag.
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was Fox born in 1965? no he was born when the Islanders were well established so the Islanders are his hometown team, and there aren't more Ranger fans than Islander fans on Long Island but that is irrelevant anyway
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His dad was a longtime Rangers fan and was presumably born somewhere around that time, so it was an inherited fandom. I'm sure there are <30 year old fans, some of whom may post on here, from or around Ottawa that still cheer for the Leafs or Habs.
no you have the bad take, if a player was from Queens and than joined the Yankees and said he was happy to play on his hometown team I would call him out on it, it is much more so in hockey as the Islanders are Long Islands team and is a separate entity from NYC
and dark years, haha Rangers had Wayne Gretzy among other greats of the game during those "dark years" and always had a competitive team, dark years, compare that to the Islanders "dark years" and see who was an easier team to root for
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I know, and as I said i can understand if you come from a family who was Ranger fans and that is what you inherit, I called him out on the "hometown team", his hometown team is the Islanders whether he likes them or not
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If you are going to be pedantic, a hometown is the city or town where one was born or grew up. The city is in question here is New York City. The New York Rangers are a team located in that city, and thus can be called a "hometown team". Had Fox said "the team whose arena is located the closest to the house where I grew up" then you'd be right that he is wrong.
I mean technically Fox didn't grow up in New York City but it doesn't really matter.
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