Fred Taylor
The Cyclone
- Sep 20, 2011
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The 86-87, 92-93 and 93-94 years are each better than anything Zetz has really hit, although I have felt Zetz was underrated defensively (One year for certain I felt he was better than Datz)
I suppose I could agree with top 5. He was fantastic on both ends of the ice. The scene is a bit different than Gilmour though, in the sense that his dominance had a bit more "team boost" going for it. I do not mean just offensive numbers. Lidstrom finished 4th for the Hart and Datz also deserved selke votes, although I did think Zetz was better.07-08 was without question Z's best season. Had a better p/g than Datsyuk who finished with 97 points, was dominant defensively all year long, and had a monster postseason that resulted in the Conn Smythe. Coincidentally or not, however, that was the season that he and Datsyuk spent the most time together post lockout. But even when he and Datsyuk were split for road playoff games, Zetterberg was absolutely fantastic. IMO his skating was at its peak that season. He's obviously had some very good postseasons since then, but he's never quite put together a regular season like that since. Offensively or defensively. Defensively he's spent a lot more time in the defensive zone and gets scored on much more often. But that year they completely tilted the ice (their Corsi was about as good as it gets that season from start to finish) while also getting matched up against top lines when Babcock had the opportunity to.
I honestly don't think it's that crazy to say that Zetterberg was the best player in the world in 07-08. Anything less than top 5 I wouldn't agree with.
How would people compare Gilmour vs Fedorov at their best?
07-08 was without question Z's best season. Had a better p/g than Datsyuk who finished with 97 points, was dominant defensively all year long, and had a monster postseason that resulted in the Conn Smythe. Coincidentally or not, however, that was the season that he and Datsyuk spent the most time together post lockout. But even when he and Datsyuk were split for road playoff games, Zetterberg was absolutely fantastic. IMO his skating was at its peak that season. He's obviously had some very good postseasons since then, but he's never quite put together a regular season like that since. Offensively or defensively. Defensively he's spent a lot more time in the defensive zone and gets scored on much more often. But that year they completely tilted the ice (their Corsi was about as good as it gets that season from start to finish) while also getting matched up against top lines when Babcock had the opportunity to.
I honestly don't think it's that crazy to say that Zetterberg was the best player in the world in 07-08. Anything less than top 5 I wouldn't agree with.
How would people compare Gilmour vs Fedorov at their best?
I suppose I could agree with top 5. He was fantastic on both ends of the ice. The scene is a bit different than Gilmour though, in the sense that his dominance had a bit more "team boost" going for it. I do not mean just offensive numbers. Lidstrom finished 4th for the Hart and Datz also deserved selke votes, although I did think Zetz was better.
Ovechkin and Malkin both had seasons that tilted the ice a bit more than Zetz, and Thornton was a beast, carrying that Sharks team on his back(outscoring his nearest teammate by 75% is pretty remarkable)
Brodeur also had a stellar year. But him and Zetz could easily share the 5th spot.
Ill stand by Gilmour's best 3 seasons though. In 86-87, 5th for the Hart, but Behind Gretzky/Bourque/Luit/Lemieux. Hard to get above those guys during those seasons. Gretzky and Lemieux are obvious. Bourque scored 95 points over the next best teammate's 72, and was 9th in scoring overall. The Bruins GF vs GA with him on and off the ice was ridiculous. Liut was also playing just incredibly on a pretty forgettable team.
92-93 and 93-94 speak for themselves. He just took that team on his back and carried them. Definitely deserved his 2nd and 4th hart finishes.
That may be a different matter. Fedorov's best year IMO was better than Gilmour's(unless you add playoffs) by a little. Dougie was great, but Fedorov was even better defensively.
Fedorov bugs me because he did not give 100% every game in the regular season, but kind of redeems himself in the playoffs, where he always did.
I think pretty much that Zetts had the best all around game in the world in 07-08 if one looks at both the regular season and playoffs and quality of play over that entire time.
Other guys might have been more flashy and maybe one could pick Dats over Zetts but not the other guys IMO
That's a tough call, what is best 2,3,5 year peak? for a short time I guess Dougie was really dialed in but I usually use 5 years as a peak and it's hard to beat Feds from 92-96.
I usually like to use best 5 consecutive years for peak but in your method I can see why one would choose Doug on those 3 years.
As for the best player in the world in 07-8 it's pretty hard to argue, when taking into account total play at both ends of the ice and regular season and playoffs that anyone not name Dats was better than Zetts.
Gilmour really benefits from his leaf days, those 93 and 94 runs were pretty epic for the city. Especially in 93 he really carried the team and always seemed to be on the ice.
Without his time with the leafs and just based on the Blues, Flames - I can see Zetterberg and himself about equal. That cup winning stacked Flames team is basically what Zetterberg was playing on for most of his career.
Gilmour's time with the leafs really puts him a head.
Now Fedorov > Gilmore for sure.
number of known wings sympathizers and/or people with wings in their screen name voting for Zetterberg: 3 of 7
number of known wings sympathizers and/or people with wings in their screen name voting for Gilmour: 0 of 24
The vote is 28-8, do we really need to point at biased votes? There will always be guys who vote for their team/favorite player. The difference is big enough, do we really need finger pointing?