Rumor: "Zero progress" in talks between Vegas and Nicholas Hague

[Mr Positive]

What makes you so sure Vegas would need to deal out of the conference and division? Nate Schmidt dealt to Vancouver, MAF to Chicago.
I think they deal where they have to. Their preference maybe out of the conference but at the end of the day that may not be an option

Watch Vegas deal with Arizona to get Chycrhun somehow. I say somehow due to lack of cap space for the knights, not because I think Chychrun is better than Hague.

It's a reliable pattern. Teams just dont like high end players to move to teams where the fans would constantly have that reminder (thsts what it seems to me anyway, but regardless it is how it happens). The exceptions are NTC driven and/or when there aren't other options for cap reasons.

Although, Chychrun is an interesting one in that he is a premiere trade asset that would salvage things for Vegas. I have doubts that Arizona goes for Hague just because they'd want futures rather than play hardball with Hague, and I'd bet they want Chychrun out of conference, or at least try to. They can still wait until the deadline or even beyond.

 

[Kaners PPGs]

Can he be offer-sheeted? If so, it is ridiculous that no one would sign him considering the value of dmen with size. I realize Hague would have to sign it.

 

[bsu]

I'd love him on the Ducks.

 

[Brodeur]

Can he be offer-sheeted? If so, it is ridiculous that no one would sign him considering the value of dmen with size. I realize Hague would have to sign it.

He could be offer sheeted. Vegas is probably being patient knowing that it's unlikely that anybody has the cap space and motivation to get it done.

To get Vegas to sweat, you'd probably need to give Hague 3.5+ mil AAV. I like Hague, but that might be a tough contract if you have your own RFA D coming up who might look at that as a comparable.

There's not many clubs with that sort of cap space remaining:

Winnipeg: Bit of a log jam at LD as it is with Morrissey, Dillon, Stanley, Samberg, and Heinola. They also don't have the required 2nd round pick for compensation.

Nashville: Similar log jam with Josi, McDonagh, Ekholm, and Lauzon.

Ottawa: Maybe don't have the green light to spend and/or saving that money for Alex Formenton's deal. Also might need a roster spot for Erik Brannstrom.

Anaheim: Already have a hodge podge of LD under contract with Fowler, Kulikov, Vaakanainen, Beaulieu, Mahura, and Benoit.

Buffalo: Spots reserved for Dahlen, Power, Samuelsson, Bryson, and Pilut.

Chicago/Arizona; Probably aren't buyers.

Mix in the favorable tax situation and it might not make sense for Hague to put himself in a situation where Vegas couldn't match. For example, 4 million with Anaheim nets about 1.95 mil after taxes. Whereas 3.25 million with Vegas nets about 1.94 mil.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

I genuinely don’t see a reason why the red wings shouldn’t offersheet him at 4 million for one season. We can easily give up the two seconds, and we have the cap space.

Our defense could then be easily adjusted to be
Maata/seider
Hague/hronek
Edvinsson-Haag/chiarot.
Am I crazy or does this not make a ton of sense?

 

[YP44]

I genuinely don’t see a reason why the red wings shouldn’t offersheet him at 4 million for one season. We can easily give up the two seconds, and we have the cap space.

Our defense could then be easily adjusted to be
Maata/seider
Hague/hronek
Edvinsson-Haag/chiarot.
Am I crazy or does this not make a ton of sense?

i hope they do it

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Wings are stacked on LHD w Edvinsson, Chiarot, Maata, Johansson, Viro, Wallinder, Sebrango, McIsaac and it would cost more than Hague+prospect to get Bertuzzi from Yzerman

That’s really not the flex you thought it was.

 

[BringTheReign]

I genuinely don’t see a reason why the red wings shouldn’t offersheet him at 4 million for one season. We can easily give up the two seconds, and we have the cap space.

Our defense could then be easily adjusted to be
Maata/seider
Hague/hronek
Edvinsson-Haag/chiarot.
Am I crazy or does this not make a ton of sense?

I think the only reason to pause is that Vegas is definitely the type of franchise to retaliate (in a decade when they actually have cap space and draft picks to do it ).

 

[CanadienShark]

Hague - Xhekaj

That would be absolutely terrifying.

 

[skygodz187]

How about Radek Faksa and Joel Hanley for Hague?

 

[FSL KINGS]

I genuinely don’t see a reason why the red wings shouldn’t offersheet him at 4 million for one season. We can easily give up the two seconds, and we have the cap space.

Our defense could then be easily adjusted to be
Maata/seider
Hague/hronek
Edvinsson-Haag/chiarot.
Am I crazy or does this not make a ton of sense?

Määttä on the top pair. Oh boy.

 

[crowi]

Määttä on the top pair. Oh boy.

This is this one guy's thought of line-up. He isn't talking gospel here.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Määttä on the top pair. Oh boy.

We are currently running chiarot top pair so, it’s not like it would be a huge difference lol

 

[theslatcher]

Alright, I'm taking the L on my initial comment, fair enough, but I'm having a hard time getting Vegas to more than 2.5 million (with a 22 man roster) with Patrick, Weber and Lehner on the LTIR to start, until their third string goalie is sent back down to Henderson.

Pretty easy math, going by the CapFriendly roster:

Assuming Patrick goes to LTIR they'll have 14,057,143 on LTIR.

Which means they'll have a 23-man roster with a total cap hit at 94,236,310.

94,236,310 - 14,057,143 = 80,179,167

The salary cap is at 82,5m.

82,500,000 - 80,179,167 = 2,320,833

Send down Hutchinson and you add 750k and a roster spot:

2,320,833 + 750,000 = 3,070,833

So they can sign Hague to a 3m deal and still have a 22-man roster + Brossoit on IR. Not that Hague is worth that right now.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Hague for Braanstrom?

 

[MNRube]

Seems like a great buy low candidate. Played behind some very good defenders in Vegas and has always passed the eye test for me. Not a lot of guys with his size, skill & upside available.

 

[lakai17]

He's too soft for his size.

 

[Cogburn]

Pretty easy math, going by the CapFriendly roster:

Assuming Patrick goes to LTIR they'll have 14,057,143 on LTIR.

Which means they'll have a 23-man roster with a total cap hit at 94,236,310.

94,236,310 - 14,057,143 = 80,179,167

The salary cap is at 82,5m.

82,500,000 - 80,179,167 = 2,320,833

Send down Hutchinson and you add 750k and a roster spot:

2,320,833 + 750,000 = 3,070,833

So they can sign Hague to a 3m deal and still have a 22-man roster + Brossoit on IR. Not that Hague is worth that right now.

Your math was never in doubt. I was looking at the website and made a foolish mistake.

I'm using numbers on capfriendly that had 4 goalies still on the roster.

As I said, I politely take the loss here.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I'd give up a 1st + Engvall from the Leafs. I'd try him on the right side to start with.

Hes not worth much more then that.

 

[CupInSIX]

Even if they go with 3 goalies, waive Amadio & Bischoff that leaves them 3M to spend. Should get done this week IMO.

 

[Static]

Don't know, but it's pretty safe to assume Vegas has offered something in the same ballpark that Durzi and Sandin have gotten.

He's asking for more than he's worth but you don't know what he's asking for?

 

[Petes2424]

There’s many who’ve thought since July, that either Roy or Hague would end up in this position but it would be taken care of once the get their LTIR money.

The only weird part is the reporting on Hague. It’s pretty much been that there’s “little to no talk” between the player and team. Also yet to see any writer mention mention this all summer. Maybe I missed it but that’s the strange part. You would think, if it has always been their intention to sign him after tomorrow, someone would’ve reported it. They’re not exactly a “Quiet” team as we all know.

Even though I fully expect him to sign his deal in the next couple of days, who knows really? I still contend Vegas could be up to something, which also would’ve had to wait until this week.

We shall see.

 

[Pizza!Pizza!]

Can Carolina offer sheet him though? That is the real question.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Can Carolina offer sheet him though? That is the real question.

A ton of teams could have. 2nd round offer sheet max would have hurt Vegas this whole time. Maybe we felt bad after taking patches and coghlan for free.