Casey Middlestat is a plus 7 and he creates scoring too
Peyton Krebs his linemate that many say sucks is a plus 2
Player Discussion Zemgus Girgensons
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No, no, I got that earlier post pointed to a lack of understanding. Doubling down by referencing plus/minus only reinforces that.
toddkaz
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To be fair plus/minus is a little crude. There is 4 other guys on the ice. Players have gone from -30 one season to +30 the next.
Offer up some more advanced data to try proving your point. There are plenty of folks who dabble in that stuff - Corsi against, expected goals against, etc... that are attempts to measure on-ice impact for players beyond just the archaic and mostly worthless like plus/minus.
You say he’s great. What stats you got?
I don’t disagree with that.but it is a stat . Grinder doesn’t really have a stat
I said he was good at shot suppression, you have tried hyperbolic exaggeration to try building some sort of argument about it. His shot suppression abilities have always been his one talent - he's a low event hockey player. That's born out by things like the Evolving Hockey's league wide measure for Corsi against (any shot attempt - goals, shots on net, misses and blocks - in non-shootout play) that have him solidly in the top 2/3rds among forwards in the majority of his seasons. He was better at that last year than 95% of the rest of the league.
He is good at shot suppression and that stat (and his low number of events for) bears that out.
Corsi Against (CA): Any shot attempts allowed by a team for players on the ice.
So corsi is a measure of shots while player is on ice and plus minus is a measure of goals while the player is on ice. Both are dependent on the other 4 players on the ice.
So corsi is a measure of shots while player is on ice and plus minus is a measure of goals while the player is on ice. Both are dependent on the other 4 players on the ice.
JLewyB
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Definitely would root for him wherever he goes and it would be nice to see him away from KOs always declining play.
MarkusKetterer
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Corsi Against takes all situations into account, although it’s weighted towards even strength situations. Plus minus only counts 2/3 situations (even strength against and shorthanded against) but it’s also a blanket concept. As a player can literally get on the ice after a line change and get a minus (and I hate when that happens to me in the EA games)
joshjull
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Thats only the case if you look up a player’s “all situations” stats. There are Corsi against stats for each game state and 5v5 is the one usually being referenced unless stated otherwise.
But I agree its not a strictly individual stat.
Fezzy126
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Seem like we "Overrate" every one of our players until they leave here and win a cup somewhere else...
Maybe the issue is not being able to properly evaluate what we have, deploy them correctly, and support them with good coaching
I love Girgs and trading him would be best for him and the team that acquires him. Those that think he's terrible must have missed how the team's on ice performance takes a nose dive every time he's out of the lineup.
Maybe the issue is not being able to properly evaluate what we have, deploy them correctly, and support them with good coaching
I love Girgs and trading him would be best for him and the team that acquires him. Those that think he's terrible must have missed how the team's on ice performance takes a nose dive every time he's out of the lineup.
Taken over years, one would expect someone who you claim to not be good at something to show that they are on for both a lot of goals or even more telling, a lot of shots. And yet Girgensons regularly, season on season, been better in that specific area than others on the team even when used in more d-zone starts than others. Girgensons is regularly not just good, but better than most at both suppression of events and better than most at suppression of quality events. I get it, you don't like him and haven't seen that use.
I was using 5-on-5 specifically since that's where the majority of play occurs. If Gus were terrible, one would expect the team to have a dip in the shot and shot quality against with him on the ice borne out over years of sample size. Not only isn't that the case, he trends to being among their best despite quality of teammate and defensive deployments.
The teams performance” takes a nosedive”. Was he the reason for the two game winning streak?Seem like we "Overrate" every one of our players until they leave here and win a cup somewhere else...
Maybe the issue is not being able to properly evaluate what we have, deploy them correctly, and support them with good coaching
I love Girgs and trading him would be best for him and the team that acquires him. Those that think he's terrible must have missed how the team's on ice performance takes a nose dive every time he's out of the lineup.
We loved Larson too. He left for a playoff run and then no one wanted him
Fezzy126
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I do not argue with his effort. He gives 110 percent. He is good on the penalty kill. When he catches someone, he is tenacious. He gives his all every night. He’s a nice guy
He has hands of stone and has a hard time hitting an empty net. He is slow and his reflexes are slow. He is taking up a spot where we could be trying one of our ahl guys who may be a part of the future of this team. It’s time to move on.
Both him and okposo. It’s time
Two way contract?
He has hands of stone and has a hard time hitting an empty net. He is slow and his reflexes are slow. He is taking up a spot where we could be trying one of our ahl guys who may be a part of the future of this team. It’s time to move on.
Both him and okposo. It’s time
Two way contract?
Dahlin appears to be playing through some injuries. This is not his best year I agree. He is on the ice more than a third of every game and the team is losing partially because of the poor veteran leadership
