Keep in mind that the Rangers are "on the hook" for the entire Jagr salary . . . all of it counts against the Ranger cap figure.RangerBoy said:The Rangers have $17,518,000 committed for 2005-06 in six players:Jaromir Jagr,Bobby Holik,Michael Nylander,Darius Kasparaitis,Dale Purinton and Jason Struswick.Purinton and Strudwick are on two way deals.That figure includes the 24% rollback and the Capitals taking half of Jagr's salary-$4.18 million
Tom Poti may or may not be qualified at $2.356 million.Karel Rachunek($1.14 million),Jamie Lundmark,Jed Ortmeyer,Blair Betts and Jozef Balej are restricted.Kevin Weekes($1.045 million)is either restricted or unrestricted depending if the age of unrestricted free agency is lowered to 30.Tom Renney said Weekes will be the Rangers #1 goaltender with Jason LaBarbera as his back-up
Fedor Tyutin and Maxim Kondratiev should be in the Rangers top six defensemen
The Rangers want to bring over some of their older European prospects in Petr Prucha and Jarkko Immonen(who would play in New York)
Every one I talked to and every thing I read says even though the Caps are playing roughly 40% of Jagr's salary, 100% of the contract counts against the Rangers cap figure . . . . . Jagr isn't the only contract where the former team pays part of the salary.heshootshescores said:I think trading cap room, like environmental credits, would be a great thing! It would allow rebuilding teams to get compensation (money, picks, prospects, etc.) without wasting that space. It shouldn't truly affect the 54% goal by that much.
The details on whether or not luxury tax is added would be tricky... i.e. if the Caps are at 24M and trade 2M to the Rangers, are the Caps essentially trading 2M of untaxed credits to the Rangers or are they still taxed???
To the question of Jagr, I believe the Caps must take his portion they are paying, whatever the true number is, under their cap.
He did . . . . the Caps pay (prerollback) $4.5-million per year. And what does Leonsis have to do with AOL stockholders . . . . you do realize, don't you that his job is not to report AOL stocks - but to work on the entertainment divison. And if you don't want to believe Leonsis, how about McPhee?RangerBoy said:Why doesn't Teddy just come out and say how much the Caps are paying?Is Teddy telling the truth?Just ask the AOL stockholders
HockeyCritter said:Every one I talked to and every thing I read says even though the Caps are playing roughly 40% of Jagr's salary, 100% of the contract counts against the Rangers cap figure . . . . . Jagr isn't the only contract where the former team pays part of the salary.
Newsguyone said:What rollback?
The owners want a rollback AND a salary cap?
Good luck
yep, very true, but like i said, i went by the numbers for 04/05 at the nhlpa site. if they are wrong, ok, but thats the only place i knew to look for contractsletsgojackets said:Depending on the status of last years contracts, this changes. It would have been the last year for Nash and Cassells. Klesla also signed a 1 year deal going into the season. I'm not sure of Irbe's status, but MaClean is talking like Leclaire will be the back up in the next season so Irbe would be out. I think MaClean is ready and waiting to snag some the free agents from teams that have to get down to the cap. You also have to include Fritsche in those numbers, and possibly Lidstrom.
like i said in the original post and in a reply, i only can go by what the nhlpa site says, and thats who they have signed. also, i think we will have more than "some extra cash" to spend thats 20mill, i think you take irbe off, so that makes it around 18, add nash, leclaire(if healthy, IF healthy, hes gonna be the backup), zherdev, fritsche, johnson, lidstrom(possibly), etc. but thats maybe 6 or 7 mill. putting us around 25 mill. leaving us 9 mill left, depending on how close we will get to the new capTop Shelf said:Also Zherdev should be on that list. He signed a three year deal so he has 1 year left on his initial contract.
Nash will need to be resigned as his contract has experied. Also, as previously noted, Klesla signed the 1 year deal so he'll also need resigned.
Depending on how much Nash gets (I'm thinking in the 3 mil a year range) we may have some extra cash to spend on an UFA or two - hopefully on a quality D-man. I think MacLean will definitely stay below the luxury tax limit (whatever that will be)especially since he mentioned that ticket prices will be reduced which obviously means the team's projected revenues will decrease.
RDriesen16 said:like i said in the original post and in a reply, i only can go by what the nhlpa site says, and thats who they have signed. also, i think we will have more than "some extra cash" to spend thats 20mill, i think you take irbe off, so that makes it around 18, add nash, leclaire(if healthy, IF healthy, hes gonna be the backup), zherdev, fritsche, johnson, lidstrom(possibly), etc. but thats maybe 6 or 7 mill. putting us around 25 mill. leaving us 9 mill left, depending on how close we will get to the new cap
i dont trust doug on that one though, at least not for the long run i believe the owner will spend a little more if it makes us a better team. now we wont go way over and we may not want to go over in the first year after a lockout, but i think if we could get someone that would really help us, even if it pushed us over a little, we would. also, i was just going on the assumption that most players wouldnt be making more than they would have last year(how could they) if anything less. except for a few, like a nashTop Shelf said:DMGM was very adament on 1460thefan last week that cap or no cap they will only spend up to what their projected revenues will be - that is why I have some hesitation with how much over the minimum he'll actually spend. There is no doubt revenues are going to take a significant hit especially if ticket prices are lowered and more sponsors are lost (Bank One/JPMC has apparently bailed for next year). We most certainly won't go over the luxury tax threshhold.
I am not sure why the NHLPA site doesn't have Zherdev or Fritsche listed as signed They both have a year left on their 3-year deals.
EndBoards said:If 04-05 contracts are extended and there are no provisions for getting under the cap, the Stars are hosed. They'd be at $43.5M after the rollback. If those are the conditions, then it's simply impossible for them to get under the cap and dress a full roster.
The best scenario for the Stars is if 04-05 contracts die on schedule and there is a provision for buyout money to be cap-exempt. If that's the case, we could buy out Turgeon for $3M, leaving 8 players signed for $18.5M.
Critical players to resign would be:
Modano - $6.8M ($9M rolled back)
Zubov - $4.5M
Morrow - $1.4M (15% raise)
That gives us 11 players for $31.2M, leaving $7.8M to sign minor leaguers and to fill out the roster. That doesn't sound like much, but if you take all of the minor leaguers & fillers that had 04-05 contracts, they only total up to about $6M in rolled back dollars. That brings our payroll for a full roster of 25 to roughly $37.5M - leaving about $1.5M for a free agent, extra prospects, or additional negotiating room for the three critical signings mentioned above.
The need in free agency would be a 4th center. I'd be happy with Modano, Barnes & Kapanen as our top three so we wouldn't need anyone very high-priced.
garry1221 said:Wings roster after rollback
Holmstrom (1.368) - Lang (3.8) - Shanahan (2.28) Total = 7.448
Maltby (1.463) - Draper (2.128) - McCarty (1.71) Total = 5.301
Mowers (285K) - Whitney (2.66) Total = 2.945
Lidstrom (7.6) - Hatcher (4.94) Total = 12.54
Fischer (1.33) - Rivers (304K) Total = 1.634
Legace (1.14)
this roster is without signing any rfa's or ufa's. Grand Total so far is 31.008 mil.
RFA's to re-sign: Datsyuk 2.5 mil; Zetterberg; 1.75 mil Grand Total: 35.258
Still need kronwall signed, williams should be signed
UFA's if dandenault comes cheap enough he could be, we all pray stevie has enough for one last farewell.
in short, the only way we'd be able to ice a full team would be to pray that lidstrom defers a good portion of his contract, maybe hatcher too
Newsguyone said:What rollback?
The owners want a rollback AND a salary cap?
Good luck
King_Brown said:2 words folks REVENUE SHARING. The Flames will be propped up thanks to revenue sharing. We made $15 profits last year I think.
King_Brown said:2 words folks REVENUE SHARING. The Flames will be propped up thanks to revenue sharing. We made $15 profits last year I think.
exactly...Flames are a mid-market revenue franchise...more likely gonna pay then receive moneyIcey said:If the Flames made money last season then they will be paying into the revenue pool not receiving it.
King_Brown said:2 words folks REVENUE SHARING. The Flames will be propped up thanks to revenue sharing. We made $15 profits last year I think.
RDriesen16 said:i think you take irbe off, so that makes it around 18, add nash, leclaire(if healthy, IF healthy, hes gonna be the backup),
dont worry bout that, that would have been his contract if they played last year. irbe is gone whether leclaire makes the team or notJBum said:I hope he's healthy for the sole purpose of dumpng Irbe! $1,900,000?? talk about overpaid!! There should be some good free agents available for that kind of money!