Your Personal Voting Record

[quoipourquoi]

Congratulations! You are now a member of the PHWA! And a time traveler.

So, as far back as you can remember (or as far back as you feel comfortable evaluating), who have you been voting for all of these years? Feel free to cast ballots for whichever trophies you like - even the Vezina, even though it makes no sense as to why a time traveling PHWA member would be voting on a GM trophy.


Sure to contain some Roger Clemens mis-rememberings - and hoping we can all remain free from judgment (would Kevin Allen write a scathing analysis of Bob McKenzie's picks?) - here we go...


2012
Hart: Quick, Malkin, Lundqvist
Vezina: Quick, Lundqvist, Smith
Smythe: Quick

2011
Hart: Perry, Thomas, Thing #2
Vezina: Thomas, Rinne, Luongo
Smythe: Thomas

2010
Hart: Crosby, Miller, Thing #1
Vezina: Miller, Rask, Howard
Smythe: Pronger

2009
Hart: Malkin, Ovechkin, Thomas
Vezina: Thomas, Vokoun, Backstrom
Smythe: Crosby

2008
Hart: Ovechkin, Malkin, Leclaire
Vezina: Leclaire, Giguere, Brodeur
Smythe: Osgood

2007
Hart: Crosby, Brodeur, Luongo
Vezina: Brodeur, Luongo, Backstrom
Smythe: Giguere

2006
Hart: Thornton, Jagr, Kiprusoff
Vezina: Kiprusoff, Lundqvist, Vokoun
Smythe: Ward

2004
Hart: St. Louis, Kiprusoff, Luongo
Vezina: Kiprusoff, Luongo, Roloson
Smythe: Richards

2003
Hart: Naslund, Forsberg, Turco
Vezina: Turco, Roloson, Belfour
Smythe: Giguere

2002
Hart: Roy, Theodore, Iginla
Vezina: Roy, Theodore, Burke
Smythe: Yzerman

2001
Hart: Sakic, Cechmanek, Lemieux
Vezina: Cechmanek, Hasek, Burke
Smythe: Roy

2000
Hart: Pronger, Jagr, Bure
Vezina: Belfour, Kolzig, Joseph
Smythe: Stevens

1999
Hart: Jagr, Hasek, Selanne
Vezina: Hasek, Joseph, Dafoe
Smythe: Nieuwendyk

1998
Hart: Selanne, Hasek, Jagr
Vezina: Hasek, Barrasso, Brodeur
Smythe: Yzerman

1997
Hart: Hasek, Lemieux, Kariya
Vezina: Brodeur, Hasek, Roy
Smythe: Vernon

1996
Hart: Messier, Lemieux, Lindros
Vezina: Puppa, Osgood, Hasek
Smythe: Sakic

1995
Hart: Coffey, Lindros, Jagr
Vezina: Hasek, Hasek, Hasek
Smythe: Lemieux

1994
Hart: Fedorov, Vanbiesbrouck, Hasek
Vezina: Hasek, Vanbiesbrouck, Roy
Smythe: Leetch

1993
Hart: Lemieux, Lalalalala... lalaFontaine, Gilmour
Vezina: Joseph, Belfour, Potvin
Smythe: Roy

1992
Hart: Messier, Roy, Lemieux
Vezina: Roy, Joseph, Vanbiesbrouck
Smythe: Lemieux (Francis until Chicago)

1991
Hart: Hull, Gretzky, Belfour
Vezina: Belfour, Roy, Richter
Smythe: Lemieux

1990
Hart: Messier, Bourque, Roy
Vezina: Roy, Puppa, Casey
Smythe: Messier

1989
Hart: Lemieux, Gretzky, Yzerman
Vezina: Roy, Casey, Vernon
Smythe: MacInnis

1988
Hart: Lemieux, Gretzky, Yzerman
Vezina: Roy, Barrasso, Fuhr
Smythe: Gretzky

1987
Hart: Gretzky, Bourque, Hextall
Vezina: Hextall, Liut, Sauve
Smythe: Messier

1986
Hart: Gretzky, Lemieux, Coffey
Vezina: Froese, Vanbiesbrouck, Fuhr
Smythe: Roy

1985
Hart: Gretzky, Hawerchuk, Lindbergh
Vezina: Lindbergh, Liut, Barrasso
Smythe: Gretzky

1984
Hart: Gretzky, Goulet, Langway
Vezina: Barrasso, Lemelin, Melanson
Smythe: Messier

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[Psycho Papa Joe]

Notes:

1) I'll assume the Vezina was voted on as early as 76.
2) Personally don't feel the winner of the Smythe should be on the losing team.


1976
MVP - Lafleur
Pearson - Lafleur
Norris - Potvin
Smythe - Savard
Vezina - Dryden

1977
MVP - Robinson
Pearson - Lafleur
Norris - Robinson
Smythe - Lafleur
Vezina - Dryden

1978
MVP - Lafleur
Pearson - Lafleur
Norris - Potvin
Smythe - Robinson
Vezina - Dryden

1979
MVP - Trottier
Pearson - Trottier
Norris - Potvin
Smythe - Lemaire
Vezina - Dryden

1980
MVP - Gretzky
Pearson - Gretzky
Norris - Robinson
Smythe - Trottier
Vezina - ?

1981
MVP - Gretzky
Pearson - Gretzky
Norris - Potvin
Smythe - Potvin
Vezina - ?

1982
MVP - Gretzky
Pearson - Gretzky
Norris - ?
Smythe - Bossy
Vezina - ?

1983
MVP - Gretzky
Pearson - Gretzky
Norris - Mark Howe
Smythe - Billy Smith
Vezina - Peeters

1984
MVP - Gretzky
Pearson - Gretzky
Norris - Bourque
Smythe - Messier
Vezina - ?

1985
MVP - Gretzky
Pearson - Gretzky
Norris - ?
Smythe - Gretzky
Vezina - Lindbergh

1986
MVP - Gretzky
Pearson - Gretzky
Norris - Mark Howe
Smythe - Roy
Vezina - ?

1987
MVP - Gretzky
Pearson - Gretzky
Norris - Bourque
Smythe - Glen Anderson
Vezina - ?

1988
MVP - ?
Pearson - ?
Norris - Bourque
Smythe - Gretzky
Vezina - Roy

1989
MVP - Gretzky
Pearson - Lemieux
Norris - Chelios
Smythe - MacInnis
Vezina - Roy

1990
MVP - Messier
Pearson - Gretzky
Norris - Bourque
Smythe - Ranford
Vezina - Roy

PS I'll Finish up later

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

This would be a lot easier to read if you bolded the ones that were different from the actual winner.

 

[quoipourquoi]

This would be a lot easier to read if you bolded the ones that were different from the actual winner.

Sure, I can do that, but that's not really the point...

 

[billybudd]

I'm a little hazy on what tender did how well in which year toward the beginning there, but here goes.

Congratulations!

2012
Hart: Quick, Malkin, Lundqvist
Vezina: Quick, Lundqvist, Smith
Smythe: Quick

2011
Hart: Perry, Thomas, Thing #2
Vezina: Thomas, Rinne, Luongo
Smythe: Thomas

2010
Hart: Crosby, Miller, Thing #1
Vezina: Miller, Rask, Howard
Smythe: Pronger

2009
Hart: Malkin, Ovechkin, Thomas
Vezina: Thomas, Vokoun, Backstrom
Smythe: Crosby

2008
Hart: Ovechkin, Malkin, Leclaire
Vezina: Leclaire, Giguere, Brodeur
Smythe: Osgood

2007
Hart: Crosby, Brodeur, Luongo
Vezina: Brodeur, Luongo, Backstrom
Smythe: Giguere

2006
Hart: Thornton, Jagr, Kiprusoff
Vezina: Kiprusoff, Lundqvist, Vokoun
Smythe: Ward

2004
Hart: St. Louis, Kiprusoff, Luongo
Vezina: Kiprusoff, Luongo, Roloson
Smythe: Richards

2003
Hart: Naslund, Forsberg, Turco
Vezina: Turco, Roloson, Belfour
Smythe: Giguere

2002
Hart: Roy, Theodore, Iginla
Vezina: Roy, Theodore, Burke
Smythe: Yzerman

2001
Hart: Sakic, Cechmanek, Lemieux
Vezina: Cechmanek, Hasek, Burke
Smythe: Roy

2000
Hart: Pronger, Jagr, Bure
Vezina: Belfour, Kolzig, Joseph
Smythe: Stevens

1999
Hart: Jagr, Hasek, Selanne
Vezina: Hasek, Joseph, Dafoe
Smythe: Nieuwendyk

1998
Hart: Selanne, Hasek, Jagr
Vezina: Hasek, Barrasso, Brodeur
Smythe: Yzerman

1997
Hart: Hasek, Lemieux, Kariya
Vezina: Brodeur, Hasek, Roy
Smythe: Vernon

1996
Hart: Messier, Lemieux, Lindros
Vezina: Puppa, Osgood, Hasek
Smythe: Sakic

1995
Hart: Coffey, Lindros, Jagr
Vezina: Hasek, Hasek, Hasek
Smythe: Lemieux

1994
Hart: Fedorov, Vanbiesbrouck, Hasek (as a side note, I can't belive Wayne wasn't nominated this year, or I'd have voted him)
Vezina: Hasek, Vanbiesbrouck, Roy
Smythe: Leetch

1993
Hart: Lemieux, Lalalalala... lalaFontaine, Gilmour
Vezina: Joseph, Belfour, Potvin
Smythe: Roy

1992
Hart: Messier, Roy, Lemieux
Vezina: Roy, Joseph, Vanbiesbrouck
Smythe: Lemieux (Francis until Chicago)

1991
Hart: Hull, Gretzky, Belfour
Vezina: Belfour, Roy, Richter
Smythe: Lemieux

1990
Hart: Messier, Bourque, Roy
Vezina: Roy, Puppa, Casey
Smythe: Messier

1989
Hart: Lemieux, Gretzky, Yzerman
Vezina: Roy, Casey, Vernon
Smythe: MacInnis

1988
Hart: Lemieux, Gretzky, Yzerman
Vezina: Roy, Barrasso, Fuhr
Smythe: Gretzky

And yes, both Messier's MVP wins should have gone to other guys (though his smythe was earned).

 

[Czech Your Math]

For the Hart/Pearson, I think I'd need to look more at the value of forwards vs. goalies to make more accurate year by year assessments. Generally more Jagr and less Messier would be the theme. If it went back further, I would continue with more Orr and less Esposito.

Just curious, why did you not include the Norris?

 

[quoipourquoi]

Just curious, why did you not include the Norris?

I'm hoping to eventually have all of the trophies listed, that way people will have an idea of where I'm coming from in our discussions. I've been meaning to do this thread for a while now (two years? ), but the seeds had been planted to keep track of my Vezina picks since the years immediately preceding the most recent lockout - especially in 2001 and 2003 - with minor tweaks from discussion and accessibility to less mainstream statistics.

If more people take an interest in posting their voting records, I'll probably look into filling out the rest of my Norris, Calder, and Selke ballots for each individual year (I could name my first/second place most years, but off the top of my head, I can't say who would be my third from each season without some digging). And to be honest, I mostly specialize in modern goaltending, because that's the position I play.

But really, if no one else takes an interest in doing this, I don't much see the point.

 

[Czech Your Math]

I'm hoping to eventually have all of the trophies listed, that way people will have an idea of where I'm coming from in our discussions. I've been meaning to do this thread for a while now (two years? ), but the seeds had been planted to keep track of my Vezina picks since the years immediately preceding the most recent lockout - especially in 2001 and 2003 - with minor tweaks from discussion and accessibility to less mainstream statistics.

If more people take an interest in posting their voting records, I'll probably look into filling out the rest of my Norris, Calder, and Selke ballots for each individual year (I could name my first/second place most years, but off the top of my head, I can't say who would be my third from each season without some digging). And to be honest, I mostly specialize in modern goaltending, because that's the position I play.

But really, if no one else takes an interest in doing this, I don't much see the point.

I was just curious. Defensemen seem particularly tough to evaluate objectively. When I threw out some names for past Norrises, I realized how difficult it often was to pick a definite winner, rather than narrow it down to 2-3 players in most years.

Selke seems like an even more difficult choice. I think it's definitely an interesting and worthwhile topic, but may take a while for most to decide, hence the limited response thus far.

What do you find the best metric for goaltending in a more historical basis (when there are fewer advanced stats) and how do you filter out team influences? I asked a question in the newly created "discussion thread" for Data Analysis of Hockey, about how to determine replacement level for goalies. Do you have any insights into that? If you reply to either/both questions, you may want to use the "discussion thread", so as not to derail this one.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Regarding the whole "thing 1" and "thing 2" bit. Immature, childish, and not witty. Keep it to the cesspool that is the main board please.

 

[quoipourquoi]

Regarding the whole "thing 1" and "thing 2" bit. Immature, childish, and not witty. Keep it to the cesspool that is the main board please.

While I appreciate your demonstration of irony, after 3-4 days of head-butting in the "overrated" thread, I thought we could have a thread in which the basis is historical but things are still a little loose (hence the Dr. Seuss, Roger Clemens, Rick Jeanneret, and Three-Stars references in my post about time-traveling hockey journalists).

 

[Czech Your Math]

While I appreciate your demonstration of irony, after 3-4 days of head-butting in the "overrated" thread, I thought we could have a thread in which the basis is historical but things are still a little loose (hence the Dr. Seuss, Roger Clemens, Rick Jeanneret, and Three-Stars references in my post about time-traveling hockey journalists).

He may have thought you were being derogatory to the twins, but I didn't take it that way. I appreciated the Seuss reference, although I thought you were talking about those two dudes in the green suits.

 

[quoipourquoi]

I appreciated the Seuss reference, although I thought you were talking about those two dudes in the green suits.

As for stats for goalies, unfortunately, there's no perfect formula out there, so the things I take into the most consideration are league average save percentage (cumulation on the season, games above/below - which I guess you might know better as quality starts, month-to-month consistency) play in games in which the goalie's team produces low offense, even-strength save percentage, the system in which the goalie played (is it designed to protect the goalie, or is it more of a run-and-gun; run-and-guns have lower save percentages), and adjusted wins (finding trends in record by splitting regulation, overtime, shootout wins). I try not to take GP into much consideration - especially in the case of a goaltender having to steal his job because he was #2 on the depth chart (Cechmanek, Kiprusoff), but winning a lot more than losing is never bad. Shutouts are less emphasized, but still a consideration when there's separation (Brodeur having 11 de facto shutouts in 1997 - and he worked for them too!).

Nothing too fancy. I think there's a threshold of over-analysis when it comes to objective numbers, and while I'm not sure where the line is, I'm trying not to cross it.

 

[WarriorOfGandhi]

Regarding the whole "thing 1" and "thing 2" bit. Immature, childish, and not witty. Keep it to the cesspool that is the main board please.

I thought it was funny

 

[Doomsday Device]

Hart
2012 - Malkin (Giroux, Smith)
2011 - Thomas (Rinne, Sedin)
2010 - Ovechkin (Crosby, Sedin)
2009 - Malkin (Ovechkin, Datsyuk)
2008 - Ovechkin (Malkin, Iginla)
2007 - Crosby (Thornton, Brodeur)
2006 - Thornton
2004 - St. Louis
2003 - Forsberg
2002 - Iginla
2001 - Sakic
2000 - Pronger
1999 - Jagr
1998 - Hasek
1997 - Lemieux
1996 - Lemieux
1995 - Hasek

Norris
2012 - Chara (Karlsson, Weber)
2011 - Visnovsky (Chara, Byfuglien)
2010 - Keith (Green, Pronger)
2009 - Lidstrom (Green, Chara)
2008 - Lidstrom (Gonchar, Chara)
2007 - Lidstrom (Niedermayer, Timonen)
2006 - Lidstrom
2004 - Niedermayer
2003 - Lidstrom
2002 - Blake
2001 - Lidstrom
2000 - Pronger
1999 - MacInnis
1998 - Lidstrom
1997 - Leetch
1996 - Bourque
1995 - Coffey

Vezina
2012 - Smith (Quick, Lundqvist)
2011 - Thomas (Rinne, Price)
2010 - Miller (Vokoun, Nabokov)
2009 - Thomas (Vokoun, Luongo)
2008 - Giguere (Brodeur, Thomas)
2007 - Brodeur (Luongo, Kiprusoff)
2006 - Kiprusoff
2004 - Luongo
2003 - Turco
2002 - Theodore
2001 - Hasek
2000 - Kolzig
1999 - Hasek
1998 - Hasek
1997 - Hasek
1996 - Hasek
1995 - Hasek

Calder
2012 - Landeskog (Nugent-Hopkins, Henrique)
2011 - Grabner (Carlson, Skinner)
2010 - Myers (Howard, Rask)
2009 - Mason (Rinne, Ryan)
2008 - Kane (Backstrom, Toews)
2007 - Malkin (Stastny, Kopitar)
2006 - Ovechkin
2004 - Raycroft
2003 - Jackman
2002 - Heatley
2001 - Nabokov
2000 - Gomez
1999 - Drury
1998 - Samsonov
1997 - Berard
1996 - Alfredsson
1995 - Forsberg

 

[Master_Of_Districts]

Though a Habs fan, I would have voted for Iginla over Theodore in 2002.

Much of the variation between goalies in save percentage over the course of an NHL regular is due to random variation. And so with Theodore, his 0.931 save percentage was a product of both talent and luck. Because he never exceeded even 0.920 in any other season, the logical answer is that it was mostly luck.

If it was mostly talent, then that would imply his skill as a goaltender suddenly spiked in 2001-02. Suffice it to say that only an idiot would think that talent is so transient.

Observed performance in offensive production is also talent + randomness, but randomness doesn't predominate in the same way as it does with save percentage.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Doomsday Device, why don't you just take away Brodeur's 2007 Vezina too?

I'll post mine a bit later

 

[Andros]

Hart
2012 - Malkin (Karlsson, Lundqvist) - I feel like Karlsson had one of the most impressive seasons last year, considering how he was the driving force behind the Ottawa offense that made them a playoff team again. His defensive lapses and lack of PK:ing don't matter when you consider how much better the team was when he was on the ice. Malkin and Lundqvist are a given.

2011 - Thomas (D.Sedin, Perry) - I feel bad not giving the win to Perry as a Ducks fan, the guy was amazing through the stretch run. Scoring goals, making plays, hustling and being the teams best PK forward for a while. Still, his start to the season was not all that, and Thomas was awesome. A weak(ish) year for the forwards and a record breaking one for a goalie, I feel like you just have to hand it to him regardless of the relatively low gamecount.

2010 - Crosby (Ovechkin, H.Sedin) - AO loses the trophy on count of a stupid suspension. I can't justify giving it to Sedin with the goalscoring differencial being so large. If I remember correctly (too lazy to check), the Sedins (and yes, I do realize Daniel missed significant time) recieved easier ice time than the competition. Still, a strong season for the Vancouver center, just not strong enough to place him ahead of the "big two" in my opinion.

2009 - Ovechkin (Malkin, Thomas) - Again, Alex takes it because of superior goal numbers when Malkin just isn't leading by enough in points. Though the lack of support on Geno's line makes it more even. I feel like the third is a coinflip between Crosby and Thomas, went with Thomas for the impressive lead in the most relevant goalie statistic (at least of the officially kept ones), though lack of games keeps him from toppling the strong competition.

2008 - Ovechkin (Malkin, Lidström) - 65 goals is insane. Malkin the clearcut second, third a tossup between a couple Detroit players and Iginla. Picked Lidström to make myself feel better about the eerie lack of defensemen in the Hart voting.

2007 - Crosby (Thornton, Luongo) - Another clear winner, after whom it's kind of a crap shoot. I could see arguments for Brodeur, Lecavalier, St.Louis, Hossa and Lidstrom instead of the two I picked. Especially Hossa is someone who I feel doesn't get enough appreciation for the great season he had.

2006 - Jagr (Thornton, Kiprusoff) - A two horse race with a clear third. I feel like Jagr gets way too much slack for the end season slump, considering he was still ppg during the losing streak. No way does two points make up the gap in goalscoring, at least in my opinion. Rangers were pretty much a two man team this year, Thornton had better supporting cast.

Norris
2012 - Karlsson (Chara, Weber) - Karlsson was just too good this season not to win it, regardless of playing a different role than the other two. I feel like he bought more value to the table this season than any other defenseman, even though the value came in a less defensive package which seems to rub people the wrong way.

2011 - Chara (Weber, Visnovsky) - Chara the clear winner in my books, the guy had an amazing season. Lidström was still good, he'd be fourth on my list, but watching him I just didn't see a norris season compared to Chara. I'd assume the statistics support this, but haven't really checked. Visnovsky lands there for his impressive offensive season and for forming one of the better pairings in the league (for a season) with Lydman. The guy is also better at ES defending, especially on the rush, than he gets credit for. Sucks on the PK though, so no further than third for Lubo.

2010 - Keith (Pronger, Green) - A close year outside of the winner. Lidstrom and Doughty could easily be up there. I was suprised by Pronger getting that little support, I thought he had a beastly season all around.

2009 - Chara (Lidström, Green) - Close all around. Can see the arguments for any of the three to win (yes, even the oh so hated Green ). Went with Chara, probably because of the bias for him being one of my favorite players. Honorable mention to Streit, who quietly had a good season on a horrible team.

2008 - Lidström (Chara, Gonchar) - The winner is clear. I'd drop Phaneuf out of the top three, though I do recognize the possibility that it's just hindsight talking. Gonchar had what I feel was his best season, elevating his defensive game to the clearly above average category.


Too tired to keep writing any more useless explanations for my opinions so I will stop here. Basically I'd give this years Smythe to Kopitar and award Brodeur's trophies to the next place finisher every year

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I'm paying attention to an "MVP" definition for the Hart. If I was using a strict "best player" definition without regard to value to team, I'd vote Lidstrom first in 2006, rather than 4th (I'm only listing top 3).

I'm only going back as far as I remember but did use stats to refresh my mind. I think these things should be a combination of stats and recollections. I'm not so confident about 1993-94 and 1994-95 as I was not a very sophisticated hockey viewer then.

I'm bolding players I have higher than they actually finished.

2011-12

Hart: Evgeni Malkin, Henrik Lundqvist, Claude Giroux
Vezina: Henrik Lundqvist, Jonathan Quick, Mike Smith
Norris: Erik Karlsson, Alex Pietrangelo, Shea Weber
Conn Smythe: Jonathan Quick

2010-11

Hart: Martin St Louis, Corey Perry, Daniel Sedin
Vezina: Tim Thomas, Pekke Rinne, Carey Price
Norris: Zdeno Chara, Shea Weber, Nicklas Lidstrom
Conn Smythe: Tim Thomas

2009-10

Hart: Sidney Crosby, Henrik Sedin, Alexander Ovechkin
Vezina: Ryan Miller, Ilya Bryzgalov, Evgeni Nabokov
Norris: Duncan Keith, Chris Pronger, Nicklas Lidstrom
Conn Smythe: Duncan Keith

2008-09

Hart: Alexander Ovechkin, Evgeni Malkin, Zdeno Chara
Norris: Nicklas Lidstrom,, Zdeno Chara, Mike Green
Vezina: Tim Thomas, Nicklas Backstrom, Henrik Lundqvist
Conn Smythe: Evgeni Malkin

2007-08

Hart: Alexander Ovechkin, Evgeni Malkin, Nicklas Lidstrom
Vezina: Martin Brodeur, Evgeni Nabokov, JS Giguere
Norris: Nicklas Lidstrom, Zdeno Chara, Andrei Markov
Conn Smythe: Henrik Zetterberg

2006-07

Hart: Martin Brodeur, Roberto Luongo, Sidney Crosby
Vezina: Martin Brodeur, Roberto Luongo, Miikka Kiprusoff
Norris: Nicklas Lidstrom, Scott Niedermayer, Chris Pronger
Conn Smythe: JS Giguere

2005-06

Hart: Joe Thornton, Miikka Kiprusoff, Jaromir Jagr
Vezina: Miikka Kiprusoff, Henrik Lundqvist, Tomas Vokoun
Norris: Nicklas Lidstrom, Sergei Zubov, Scott Niedermayer
Conn Smythe: Rod Brind'amour

2003-04

Hart: Martin St Louis, Jarome Iginla, Markus Naslund
Vezina: Miikka Kiprusoff, Martin Brodeur, Roberto Luongo
Norris: Scott Niedermayer, Zdeno Chara, Chris Pronger
Conn Smythe: Brad Richards

2002-03

Hart: Peter Forsberg, Al MacInnis, Markus Naslund
Norris: Nicklas Lidstrom, Al MacInnis, Derian Hatcher
Vezina: Martin Brodeur, Ed Belfour,, Marty Turco
Conn Smythe: Scott Niedermayer

2001-02

Hart: Jose Theodore, Patrick Roy, Jarome Iginla
Vezina: Jose Theodore, Patrick Roy, Sean Burke
Norris: Nicklas Lidstrom, Rob Blake, Chris Chelios
Conn Smythe: Nicklas Lidstrom

2000-01

Hart: Joe Sakic, Mario Lemieux,Dominik Hasek
Vezina: Dominik Hasek, Roman Cechmanek, Evgeni Nabokov
Norris: Nicklas Lidstrom, Scott Stevens, Ray Bourque
Conn Smythe: Patrick Roy

1999-00

Hart: Chris Pronger, Pavel Bure,, Jaromir Jagr
Vezina: Olaf Kolzig, Martin Brodeur, Curtis Joseph
Norris: Chris Pronger, Nicklas Lidstrom, Rob Blake
Conn Smythe: Scott Stevens

1998-99:

Hart: Jaromir Jagr, Alexei Yashin, Dominik Hasek
Vezina: Dominik Hasek, Byron Dafoe, Ed Belfour
Norris: Al MacInnis, Scott Stevens, Nicklas Lidstrom
Conn Smythe: Mike Modano

1997-98

Hart: Dominik Hasek, Jaromir Jagr, Martin Brodeur
Vezina: Dominik Hasek, Martin Brodeur, Tom Barrasso
Norris: Nicklas Lidstrom, Rob Blake, Chris Pronger
Conn Smythe: Steve Yzerman

1996-97

Hart: Dominik Hasek, Martin Brodeur, Mario Lemieux
Vezina: Dominik Hasek, Martin Brodeur, Patrick Roy
Norris: Brian Leetch, Scott Stevens, Chris Chelios
Conn Smythe: Sergei Fedorov

1995-96

Hart: Mario Lemieux, Mark Messier, Eric Lindros
Vezina: Darren Puppa, Chris Osgood, Ron Hextall
Norris: Chris Chelios, Ray Bourque, Nicklas Lidstrom
Conn Smythe: Joe Sakic

1994-95

Hart: Eric Lindros, Dominik Hasek, Paul Coffey
Vezina: Dominik Hasek, Jim Carey, Ed Belfour
Norris: Paul Coffey, Chris Chelios, Ray Bourque
Conn Smythe: Scott Stevens

1993-94

Hart: Sergei Fedorov, Dominik Hasek, Scott Stevens
Vezina: Dominik Hasek, Patrick Roy, John Vanbiesbrouck
Norris: Scott Stevens, Ray Bourque, Al MacInnis
Conn Smythe: Brian Leetch

 

[Big Phil]

I got a kick out of "Thing #1 and Thing #2." It threw me off guard a bit. The Sedin twins are fine talents, but as I am sure everyone knows it is popular to pick on the Canucks as a whole.


To keep it short I'll due it post lockout, and just a few of the awards. Bolded are the ones that didn't actually win but that I would have picked.

Hart:
2012 - Malkin
2011 - Thomas
2010 - Crosby
2009 - Ovechkin
2008 - Ovechkin
2007 - Crosby
2006 - Thornton

Norris:
2012 - Weber
2011 - Weber (and to think, we always complained that Howe never won, this is worse)
2010 - Keith
2009 - Chara
2008 - Lidstrom

Vezina:
2012 - Lundqvist
2011 - Thomas
2010 - Miller
2009 - Thomas
2008 - Brodeur
2007 - Brodeur
2006 - Kipper

Conn Smythe:
2012 - Quick
2011 - Thomas
2010 - Keith (maybe even Kane, although Toews was still a good pick)
2009 - Malkin
2008 - Zetterberg
2007 - Pronger
2006 - Staal

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Surprised to see so many people on HOH picking someone for the Hart who only played 57 of 82 games

 

[Andros]

Surprised to see so many people on HOH picking someone for the Hart who only played 57 of 82 games

I think it has a lot do with a pretty weak year for forwards. Though you do raise a good point about claiming someone is the "most valuable" when that many games are missed. Maybe Thomas shouldn't be topping my list.

 

[Master_Of_Districts]

Surprised to see so many people on HOH picking someone for the Hart who only played 57 of 82 games

How many minutes did he play?

 

[quoipourquoi]

Surprised to see so many people on HOH picking someone for the Hart who only played 57 of 82 games

I don't think it was too small of a number. He was 15th in GP, so he wasn't exactly playing less than how the average team would treat their goaltender. And on top of that, Rask played half as many games as Thomas, but still lost 14 to Thomas' 11. Seems fair for Thomas to win or be nominated; it's not any different than Hasek/Vanbiesbrouck in 1994, both of whom were around 14th/15th in GP and minutes like Thomas.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I don't think it was too small of a number. He was 15th in GP, so he wasn't exactly playing less than how the average team would treat their goaltender. And on top of that, Rask played half as many games as Thomas, but still lost 14 to Thomas' 11. Seems fair for Thomas to win or be nominated; it's not any different than Hasek/Vanbiesbrouck in 1994, both of whom were around 14th/15th in GP and minutes like Thomas.

Yeah. I might be suffering from backlash against people who think Thomas' 2010-11 regular season was the best ever for a goalie based on raw save percentage, with no consideration for games played, team strength, or the increase in leaguewide save percentage.

His 35-13-9 record vs Rask's 11-14-2 record is a pretty good argument to give him Hart consideration, actually.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Yeah. I might be suffering from backlash against people who think Thomas' 2010-11 regular season was the best ever for a goalie based on raw save percentage, with no consideration for games played, team strength, or the increase in leaguewide save percentage.

His 35-13-9 record vs Rask's 11-14-2 record is a pretty good argument to give him Hart consideration, actually.

I'd be surprised if Rask even got 1.75 goals per game while he was in net. It seemed like the Bruins had no interest in scoring for him. Thomas has no basis for the Hart at all that season.