Would the NHL consider this?

[Shanwhatplan]

Since there are two awards for forwards, the Rocket Richard (I don't believe a dman will ever win it) and the Selke, why couldn't there be an award for best defensive dman? The Norris will always go to the guy who has alot or most points. Why can't there be one for the guy who is considered the best at preventing goals?

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[saltming]

Technically this is the Norris but lately it has just become the highest scoring defenseman

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Technically this is the Norris but lately it has just become the highest scoring defenseman

I think they should change the name of that award to the Bobby Orr trophy.

 

[saltming]

I think they should change the name of that award to the Bobby Orr trophy.

That is a great idea!!
Can only like it once but that would be awesome

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I think they should change the name of that award to the Bobby Orr trophy.

do they rename the trophies after the players death?
anyone alive still that has a trophy named after them?
Rocket could one day change it's name to Gretzky of some sort

 

[Terrible GM]

Since there are two awards for forwards, the Rocket Richard (I don't believe a dman will ever win it) and the Selke, why couldn't there be an award for best defensive dman? The Norris will always go to the guy who has alot or most points. Why can't there be one for the guy who is considered the best at preventing goals?

This has been a no brainer thing that should of been in place for decades, and from time to time it gets brought up by hockey analysts. They NHL is forever holding itself back. I mean the potential for another legitimate award is a great way to increase fan base interest and promote conversations about the game.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

do they rename the trophies after the players death?
anyone alive still that has a trophy named after them?
Rocket could one day change it's name to Gretzky of some sort

I probably shouldn't have made that reply. I don't believe they should ever change the name of an award.

 

[nsleaf]

I probably shouldn't have made that reply. I don't believe they should ever change the name of an award.

Not even the Lady Byng

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Not even the Lady Byng

Haha. I would definitely make an exception for that one.

 

[napoleon in rags]

Not even the Lady Byng

"The trophy is named in honour of Marie Evelyn Moreton (Lady Byng), wife of the Viscount Byng of Vimy, who commanded Canadian forces at the Battle of Vimy Ridge and who was Governor General of Canada from 1921 to 1926. Lady Byng, an avid hockey fan, decided to donate the trophy to the NHL in 1924–25."

You don't change the name of the Lady Byng.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Norris is that, though. Same as how the Selke goes to the best two way guy. You will never see someone like Riley Nash win the Selke. I don't think there should be a pure defensive d-man award. The best d-men are the guys who can get it done both ways.

 

[nsleaf]

"The trophy is named in honour of Marie Evelyn Moreton (Lady Byng), wife of the Viscount Byng of Vimy, who commanded Canadian forces at the Battle of Vimy Ridge and who was Governor General of Canada from 1921 to 1926. Lady Byng, an avid hockey fan, decided to donate the trophy to the NHL in 1924–25."

You don't change the name of the Lady Byng.

Should have called it the Vimy Trophy.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Norris is that, though. Same as how the Selke goes to the best two way guy. You will never see someone like Riley Nash win the Selke. I don't think there should be a pure defensive d-man award. The best d-men are the guys who can get it done both ways.

Sorry, but I don’t agree. You could argue the same for the winner of the Rocket Richard trophy, that since he’s so dominant at scoring goals, then he must be good at preventing them as well.
I believe it should be a dman in your top 4 who is consistently the one out there when his team is protecting a lead late in a game, or who is very reliable, even dominant, on the PK.
I just think it’s unfair to have two awards for forwards, but only one for dmen.

 

[ACC1224]

Can’t see them creating an award for a bottom pair, PK specialist. That’s all a ‘Defensive D Man’ is these days.
They should add a points award for a Defenseman with the Norris going to the ‘Best All Around’ player.

 

[Cams]

Norris is that, though. Same as how the Selke goes to the best two way guy. You will never see someone like Riley Nash win the Selke. I don't think there should be a pure defensive d-man award. The best d-men are the guys who can get it done both ways.

Agreed, but a guy like Erik Karlsson and Brent Burns has one won based basically on their offensive numbers. Erik Karlsson was never that great of a defender.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

"The trophy is named in honour of Marie Evelyn Moreton (Lady Byng), wife of the Viscount Byng of Vimy, who commanded Canadian forces at the Battle of Vimy Ridge and who was Governor General of Canada from 1921 to 1926. Lady Byng, an avid hockey fan, decided to donate the trophy to the NHL in 1924–25."

You don't change the name of the Lady Byng.

Did not know that. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Since there are two awards for forwards, the Rocket Richard (I don't believe a dman will ever win it) and the Selke, why couldn't there be an award for best defensive dman? The Norris will always go to the guy who has alot or most points. Why can't there be one for the guy who is considered the best at preventing goals?

I think 100% they should add a trophy for best defensive defenseman. The dman that could win both of them together would be rare

 

[Suntouchable13]

Agreed, but a guy like Erik Karlsson and Brent Burns has one won based basically on their offensive numbers. Erik Karlsson was never that great of a defender.

I get that, but that’s what you get when you have humans voting. Can you quantify best defensive d-man? You win the Ross by having the most points, you win the Rocket by having the most goals. So if we can find a way to quantify best defensive d-man then I’d love to see it.

 

[Cams]

I get that, but that’s what you get when you have humans voting. Can you quantify best defensive d-man? You win the Ross by having the most points, you win the Rocket by having the most goals. So if we can find a way to quantify best defensive d-man then I’d love to see it.

Exactly - and that really is the problem. Best defensive d-man does not have any stats to support that do they? I mean I am sure there must some way to come up with some new fancy stats that factor in numbers like zone starts, when they are on the ice, blocks, something like scoring chances denied..... who knows really though. Statistics (in a mathematical sense) can prove anything. You can use stats to calculate that a golf ball has a smooth surface, so I'm sure there is some anti-corsi or something that can be conjured up.

 

[AvroArrow]

This is a great idea. The Bobby Orr trophy would be perfect.

 

[hotpaws]

I think they should award a participation ribbon to every player at the end of the season , that way they all feel special .

 

[Stephen]

The Norris Trophy should still be for the best defenseman for history and continuity, but the idea of a trophy named the Bobby Orr Trophy for the best defensive defenseman would see a little off.

 

[Confucius]

I think they should award a participation ribbon to every player at the end of the season , that way they all feel special .

First we give one to the goalie with the best offense numbers, maybe even a rocket for the top goalie.

 

[keonsbitterness]

At the very least the Norris name should disappear (cancel it!). The Norris family controlled three teams during the original six era, and were tied to organized crime.

 

[123offtheglass]

I think they should just not be so biased towards point totals in Norris Trophy Voting, I mean it's already at least a little bit biased for all the other trophies but it's probably the worst for Norris & Lady Byng.

The Lady Byng is apparently: "player adjudged to have exhibited the best type of sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct combined with a high standard of playing ability" when really it's: "player with the least penalty minutes combined with a high standard of playing ability"