Scheifele55
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Since my other threat about Iain Duncan turned into a discussion about GM's I am moving the topic here.
There are only 4 options:
John Furguson
Mike SMith
John Paddock
Kevin Cheveldayoff
Cheveldayoff shouldn`t be considered as he has been around for 2 years and John Paddock was only GM for 2 years.
So it is pretty straight forward... John Ferguson or Mike Smith
Ferguson - The Good
- Drafted 2 HOFers, 1 currently and 1 future in Hawerchuk and Selanne.
-Drafted NHL mainstays who played over 1000 games:
Selanne
Hawerchuk
Numminen
Olausson
Ellett
Babych
Christian
and Mullen and Steen who had very good careers.
Draft wise his best selection is Teemu Selanne who was taken 10th overall. He was fired 3 months later. Brian Mullen was a very late draft choice who had a very good NHL career. We discovered our first all-star calibre goalie in Bob Essensa who I felt was a much better goaltender than his stats show. If Bob Murdoch had a brain we would have beat the Oilers in 1990 by playing Essensa.
The Bad:
- 1979 took Jimmy Mann a potential powerforward who held the Jets record for PIM in his rookie year. Michel Goulet went next
- 1979 2nd roudner Dave Christian who had a VERY bright future in Winnipeg was traded for a 1st round selection 14th overall, not a great trade, however, the Jets took Bobby Dollas who bounced around for many years.
- 1980 took Dave Babych who was a good-very good defenseman and was traded for Ray Neufeld who busted in Winnipeg. Player taken after Babych... Denis Savard
- 1980 even though Ferguson earns points for discovering Brian Mullen who loses all that momentum and then some by dealing an almost point a game forward along with a 10th rounder for a 3rd and 5th rounder. Couldn`t you do better, he was 24 and entering his PRIME.
- 1981, probably his best draft on paper by landing Hawerchuk who was given a hero's press conference when he signed, Scott Arneil whos career was going well until we dealt a 24 year old Arneil for an older Gilles Hamel who had the same offensive skills. And the mystery pick was Marc Behrend who in 1981 and 83 was the NCAA Tournament MVP being hte 1st person to ever have that distinction.
- 1982 took Jim Kyte who never developed into a solid tough defenseman
- 1983 took Andrew McBain at 8 and Bobby Dollas at 14 and both had mediocre careers in my opinion.
- 1984 traded our 1st round pick for a 27-28 year old randy carlyle. His best years were behind him and although he was good, Doug Bodger who Pittsburgh took with the pick ended up having a better career after being drafted compared to Carlyle. No one from this draft really panned out into anything good. Luciano Borsato, Peter Douris who we took 2nd round and moved him for a 4th and 10th round pick as a 22 year old and Brent Severyn are the best of the draft... hardly something to brag about.
-1985 took Ryan Stewart who was very undersized and played 3 NHL games and Roger Ohman who didnt make it were taken in the 1st 2 rounds. The highlights from this draft was taking Olausson and drafting 2 goalies who made it to the NHL, Berthiaume and Tom Draper.
- 1986 Pat Elyniuk was taken 8th overall. Had a good career, but not even close to the career of the player taken 9th... Brian Leetch. Made ammends by taking Teppo. The rest had no NHL career or just a taste.
- 1987 you cant fault Ferguson for DRAFT Bryan Marchment who was a nasty defenseman... unfortuantely true to John Ferguson form he gave up on him at the age of 21 and dealt him away for an aging Troy Murray who played 1.5 years with us and then dealt for Steve Bancroft who was a 2nd round pick and didnt play a game wit the Jets.
- 1988 after Teemu Selanne the rest of the draft history was weak at best. Russ Romaniuk whos sister lives next door to me and Stephane Beauregard (should have moved him while he stock was at a peak) were the only players who made it past 2 NHL games.
Mike Smith's Good:
- 1989 Drafted a skilled Stu Barnes, Kris Draper who was taken int he 4th round, Dan Bylsma, and future Jets Davydov and Kharin.
- 1990 traded Dale Hawerchuk by far the best player in the teams history up until then and acquired Phil Housely who was the best offensive defenseman in Jets history and somehow moved down in the draft and still got Keith Tkachuk. Possibly the best trade in Jets history when all is said and done. On top of that he took Alexei Zhamnov who was the 2nd piece along with Tkachuk and Selanne to give the fans huge promise for a strong young team.
- 1992 drafted Nikolai Khabibulin in the 9th round and selected a promising Boris Mironov in the 2nd round.
- Best known for his drafting of Europeans, some panned out and most didnt amount to much. For his time in Winnipeg I wouldn`t say it ws a negative but a positive. We did get Khabibulin and Zhamnov who were great players
The Bad:
- 1989 took Stu Barnes who they traded away for an aging Randy Gilhen. Stu Barnes had a great career afterwards. Traded Kris Draper in one of the worst trades in NHL HISTORY for $1.
- 1992 took Sergei Bautin in the most embarassing moment for the Jets as the guy muffled the announcement and TSN thought we took Sergei Brylin... if only we really did. He was 24-25 at the time and easily could have been taken in the 12th round in the 1991 draft. Took in the 2nd round Boris Mironov who was a plus while we had him, but Winnipeg bet the farm and moved him, Mats Lindgren our 1st pick in 1993 and our 1st round pick in 1994 (4th overall) for an aging Dave Manson. Manson was an allstar in his prime and in Winnipeg was a good player but I dont recall him being intimidating like he once was. In the grand scheme of developing a Stanley Cup team... Mironov/Lindgren/Smyth (okay Edmonton took Bonsignore at 4 and Smyth at 5) would have been a better compliment with Housley/Tkachuk/Zhamnov/Selanne than Manson. Hindsight is 20/20 but Winnipeg went all in on this and lost.
- Mike Smith as its been told ran Phil Housley out of town after scoring 97 points a franchise record that probably will never be eclipsed anytime soon. The return in Quintal and Emerson was good in that Quintal did have potential he never reached and Emerson was a good scorer, however Housley was the much better player.
I probably missed out on some positives on Mike Smith and some negatives however this is what stands out and I remember about him.
What is your take. Please keep it ON TOPIC in regards to their performance as a GM for the Winnipeg Jets, not other teams.
There are only 4 options:
John Furguson
Mike SMith
John Paddock
Kevin Cheveldayoff
Cheveldayoff shouldn`t be considered as he has been around for 2 years and John Paddock was only GM for 2 years.
So it is pretty straight forward... John Ferguson or Mike Smith
Ferguson - The Good
- Drafted 2 HOFers, 1 currently and 1 future in Hawerchuk and Selanne.
-Drafted NHL mainstays who played over 1000 games:
Selanne
Hawerchuk
Numminen
Olausson
Ellett
Babych
Christian
and Mullen and Steen who had very good careers.
Draft wise his best selection is Teemu Selanne who was taken 10th overall. He was fired 3 months later. Brian Mullen was a very late draft choice who had a very good NHL career. We discovered our first all-star calibre goalie in Bob Essensa who I felt was a much better goaltender than his stats show. If Bob Murdoch had a brain we would have beat the Oilers in 1990 by playing Essensa.
The Bad:
- 1979 took Jimmy Mann a potential powerforward who held the Jets record for PIM in his rookie year. Michel Goulet went next
- 1979 2nd roudner Dave Christian who had a VERY bright future in Winnipeg was traded for a 1st round selection 14th overall, not a great trade, however, the Jets took Bobby Dollas who bounced around for many years.
- 1980 took Dave Babych who was a good-very good defenseman and was traded for Ray Neufeld who busted in Winnipeg. Player taken after Babych... Denis Savard
- 1980 even though Ferguson earns points for discovering Brian Mullen who loses all that momentum and then some by dealing an almost point a game forward along with a 10th rounder for a 3rd and 5th rounder. Couldn`t you do better, he was 24 and entering his PRIME.
- 1981, probably his best draft on paper by landing Hawerchuk who was given a hero's press conference when he signed, Scott Arneil whos career was going well until we dealt a 24 year old Arneil for an older Gilles Hamel who had the same offensive skills. And the mystery pick was Marc Behrend who in 1981 and 83 was the NCAA Tournament MVP being hte 1st person to ever have that distinction.
- 1982 took Jim Kyte who never developed into a solid tough defenseman
- 1983 took Andrew McBain at 8 and Bobby Dollas at 14 and both had mediocre careers in my opinion.
- 1984 traded our 1st round pick for a 27-28 year old randy carlyle. His best years were behind him and although he was good, Doug Bodger who Pittsburgh took with the pick ended up having a better career after being drafted compared to Carlyle. No one from this draft really panned out into anything good. Luciano Borsato, Peter Douris who we took 2nd round and moved him for a 4th and 10th round pick as a 22 year old and Brent Severyn are the best of the draft... hardly something to brag about.
-1985 took Ryan Stewart who was very undersized and played 3 NHL games and Roger Ohman who didnt make it were taken in the 1st 2 rounds. The highlights from this draft was taking Olausson and drafting 2 goalies who made it to the NHL, Berthiaume and Tom Draper.
- 1986 Pat Elyniuk was taken 8th overall. Had a good career, but not even close to the career of the player taken 9th... Brian Leetch. Made ammends by taking Teppo. The rest had no NHL career or just a taste.
- 1987 you cant fault Ferguson for DRAFT Bryan Marchment who was a nasty defenseman... unfortuantely true to John Ferguson form he gave up on him at the age of 21 and dealt him away for an aging Troy Murray who played 1.5 years with us and then dealt for Steve Bancroft who was a 2nd round pick and didnt play a game wit the Jets.
- 1988 after Teemu Selanne the rest of the draft history was weak at best. Russ Romaniuk whos sister lives next door to me and Stephane Beauregard (should have moved him while he stock was at a peak) were the only players who made it past 2 NHL games.
Mike Smith's Good:
- 1989 Drafted a skilled Stu Barnes, Kris Draper who was taken int he 4th round, Dan Bylsma, and future Jets Davydov and Kharin.
- 1990 traded Dale Hawerchuk by far the best player in the teams history up until then and acquired Phil Housely who was the best offensive defenseman in Jets history and somehow moved down in the draft and still got Keith Tkachuk. Possibly the best trade in Jets history when all is said and done. On top of that he took Alexei Zhamnov who was the 2nd piece along with Tkachuk and Selanne to give the fans huge promise for a strong young team.
- 1992 drafted Nikolai Khabibulin in the 9th round and selected a promising Boris Mironov in the 2nd round.
- Best known for his drafting of Europeans, some panned out and most didnt amount to much. For his time in Winnipeg I wouldn`t say it ws a negative but a positive. We did get Khabibulin and Zhamnov who were great players
The Bad:
- 1989 took Stu Barnes who they traded away for an aging Randy Gilhen. Stu Barnes had a great career afterwards. Traded Kris Draper in one of the worst trades in NHL HISTORY for $1.
- 1992 took Sergei Bautin in the most embarassing moment for the Jets as the guy muffled the announcement and TSN thought we took Sergei Brylin... if only we really did. He was 24-25 at the time and easily could have been taken in the 12th round in the 1991 draft. Took in the 2nd round Boris Mironov who was a plus while we had him, but Winnipeg bet the farm and moved him, Mats Lindgren our 1st pick in 1993 and our 1st round pick in 1994 (4th overall) for an aging Dave Manson. Manson was an allstar in his prime and in Winnipeg was a good player but I dont recall him being intimidating like he once was. In the grand scheme of developing a Stanley Cup team... Mironov/Lindgren/Smyth (okay Edmonton took Bonsignore at 4 and Smyth at 5) would have been a better compliment with Housley/Tkachuk/Zhamnov/Selanne than Manson. Hindsight is 20/20 but Winnipeg went all in on this and lost.
- Mike Smith as its been told ran Phil Housley out of town after scoring 97 points a franchise record that probably will never be eclipsed anytime soon. The return in Quintal and Emerson was good in that Quintal did have potential he never reached and Emerson was a good scorer, however Housley was the much better player.
I probably missed out on some positives on Mike Smith and some negatives however this is what stands out and I remember about him.
What is your take. Please keep it ON TOPIC in regards to their performance as a GM for the Winnipeg Jets, not other teams.