Salary Cap: Worry about Cap down the line?

[Tofveve]

I think we have to know who our core is for the next 7-10 years. Monahan, Gaudreau, Brodie, Colbourne, Russell, Bennett, Hamilton . . . Maybes: Jooris, Backlund, Bouma . . . Then build around them.

Would love for Hudler to get another 3-4 year deal at 5ish per.

 

[SickHandsNoShot]

I think we have to know who our core is for the next 7-10 years. Monahan, Gaudreau, Brodie, Colbourne, Russell, Bennett, Hamilton . . . Maybes: Jooris, Backlund, Bouma . . . Then build around them.

Would love for Hudler to get another 3-4 year deal at 5ish per.

One of these things just doesn't belong...

 

[chunkylover53]

One of these things just doesn't belong...

I wouldn't include Russell there either. The young core is pretty much Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Brodie, and Hamilton.

 

[Lunatik]

I wouldn't include Russell there either. The young core is pretty much Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Brodie, and Hamilton.

I think he was referring to it being Colbourne rather than Colborne

 

[chunkylover53]

I think he was referring to it being Colbourne rather than Colborne

He's was referring to Colbourne, but I mean I wouldn't include Russell as well in addition to not including Colbourne. Hence only the 5 young core players.

 

[Lunatik]

He's was referring to Colbourne, but I mean I wouldn't include Russell as well. Hence only the 5 young core players.

I am pretty sure it was in reference to the egregious spelling mistake

 

[Tofveve]

One of these things just doesn't belong...

The Bourne identity doesn't belong?

Possibly . . . I like him and think he has upside still for his $. I could be wrong though.

 

[Tofveve]

I wouldn't include Russell there either. The young core is pretty much Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Brodie, and Hamilton.

Yeah, you're right about the core of the core.

So, core for next 5 years (not 7-10) . . . Backlund in that group?

 

[Lunatik]

The Bourne identity doesn't belong?

Possibly . . . I like him and think he has upside still for his $. I could be wrong though.

He was clearly too subtle, so let me try.

IT'S COLBORNE THERE IS U IN HIS NAME. LEARN TO SPELL IT RIGHT.

 

[Anglesmith]

Colborne could absolutely be a part of the core in the sense of being part of multiple contender-level teams. As long as he doesn't get to the point of getting paid beyond his role. He's been two years in the league, though, and he played much of last season with a wrist injury. He also brings a unique skillset to the team. I am willing to be very patient with Joe.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

He's not part of the coure - at least not yet.

 

[Anglesmith]

He's not part of the coure - at least not yet.

Four shoure, but give it thyme.

 

[Tofveve]

He was clearly too subtle, so let me try.

IT'S COLBORNE THERE IS U IN HIS NAME. LEARN TO SPELL IT RIGHT.

Eaaaaasy . . . Eaaaassssy

I caught the misspell. Hence the joke of Bourne identity. The angry is strong my young man.

 

[Tofveve]

Colborne could absolutely be a part of the core in the sense of being part of multiple contender-level teams. As long as he doesn't get to the point of getting paid beyond his role. He's been two years in the league, though, and he played much of last season with a wrist injury. He also brings a unique skillset to the team. I am willing to be very patient with Joe.

This. His big body was noticed against Anaheim too.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

The core to me is:

Monahan
Bennett
Gaudreau
Brodie
Hamilton

Everyone else is expendable for the right price. Push come to shove and you're up against it, these are the only guys you aren't dealing.

I think Gillies will be in there eventually as well.

 

[Calculon]

Colborne's not close to being core. Could be one day, but he's not there yet.

Hudler and Russell occupy the complementary core, as in, players who support the primary core so long as they're affordable but are expendable should their cap hits and/or contractual demands interfere with the ability to retain the primary core. For example, Oduya and Sharp in Chicago.

Primary core at present is Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Brodie, Hamilton and Giordano. All it needs is a goalie or a winger+defencemen to round it out.

 

[Tofveve]

The core to me is:

Monahan
Bennett
Gaudreau
Brodie
Hamilton

Everyone else is expendable for the right price. Push come to shove and you're up against it, these are the only guys you aren't dealing.

I think Gillies will be in there eventually as well.

Yeah, I mean that's true.

But you have to surround the core with core B you know?

I mean with Chicago, you have guys like Shaw and Saad who feel like core players even though the true core was/is Kane, Toews, Seabrook, Keith. Was Hossa in that group? Sharp probably was until this year. Crawford is by his tenure but it seems every year half the fan-base wants him traded. Oduya? Probably not. Kruger? Probably not. So basically it's a core of 4 . . . But 4 great players can't win championships alone either. I don't know, I think there's a bigger core of guys. But I guess a small group of untradables.

 

[herashak]

colborne has a ways to go to be compared to saad. I'd talk about poirier and even klimchuk more in conversations about the core than colborne

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Colborne's not close to being core. Could be one day, but he's not there yet.

Hudler and Russell occupy the complementary core, as in, players who support the primary core so long as they're affordable but are expendable should their cap hits and/or contractual demands interfere with the ability to retain the primary core. For example, Oduya and Sharp in Chicago.

Primary core at present is Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Brodie, Hamilton and Giordano. All it needs is a goalie or a winger+defencemen to round it out.

Yep, and guys like Backlund, Russell, Hudler will remain as intricate pieces until they are replaced, which will happen. Eventually when our core players are all extended its crucial we have younger, cheaper players to replace the ones I mentioned.

Gio is absolutely a core player, but now that we have Hamilton I could see a situation materializing in a few seasons where he gets moved.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Colborne has a career high 10 goals. That is not a core player just because he's tall. Neither are Bouma, Backlund and Ferland for that matter, they're the kind of player you swap for picks and replace with similar ELC guys when you're up against the cap ceiling before handcuffing yourself for them.

Core:

Giordano
Gaudreau
Monahan
Brodie
Hamilton
Bennett

that's about it. Though we have prospects who I think can be core.

Gio is absolutely a core player, but now that we have Hamilton I could see a situation materializing in a few seasons where he gets moved.

I don't see it. He's gonna Lidstrom here til he retires. And he'll go Brett Favre on us every year.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I don't see it. He's gonna Lidstrom here til he retires. And he'll go Brett Favre on us every year.

We're not in a situation today that would make us consider that, things change though. If Gio is 36 and needs another extension for 2-3 years at 8 million +, and moving a younger core guy is the only other alternative, I would say Gio is the one who goes. It's a business, and even the Pack cut Favre loose

 

[Tofveve]

We're not in a situation today that would make us consider that, things change though. If Gio is 36 and needs another extension for 2-3 years at 8 million +, and moving a younger core guy is the only other alternative, I would say Gio is the one who goes. It's a business, and even the Pack cut Favre loose

I agree. I think Gio is here for 3 or 4 more and hopefully still has good value then.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I agree. I think Gio is here for 3 or 4 more and hopefully still has good value then.

I hope he's here until he retires, I love him. I just want to point out that it's possible at some point he could get moved. Right now though, it's not a concern.

In his contract thread that was my reasoning to signing him to a shorter term deal, I think with us getting Hamilton now, his term is a massive thing for us.

 

[Tofveve]

I hope he's here until he retires, I love him. I just want to point out that it's possible at some point he could get moved. Right now though, it's not a concern.

In his contract thread that was my reasoning to signing him to a shorter term deal, I think with us getting Hamilton now, his term is a massive thing for us.

Certainly the Hamilton signing was curious and definitely changed the long-term outlook of things.

 

[Lunatik]

how was going for a 22 year old RH defensemean with top pairing potential curious in any way?? The only curious thing is that he was had for so cheap and that he was available at all.