Winnipeg Jets going into the 24/25 season

[Buffdog]

No matter how you juggle the lines it always ends up the same, way too many soft players.

I guess that depends on how you define "soft"

 

[Adam da bomb]

Ehlers schief Villardi
Kc Lambert/names perfetti
Barron lowry nino
Names/ lamgus chibs l

 

[Orrrules]

I guess that depends on how you define "soft"

Not going to the dirty areas.

 

[WolfHouse]

I guess that depends on how you define "soft"

Our entire top six?

 

[sipowicz]

Ehlers schief Villardi
Kc Lambert/names perfetti
Barron lowry nino
Names/ lamgus chibs l

Why would anyone want non -playoff performer Soft Ehlers back?

 

[10Ducky10]

Doesn't look too bad but I question that first trade. Lucius' value is extremely low and KC is nowhere near worth Tkachuk. Have to add a pretty big piece.
Konecny has been even less productive than Ehlers in the PO.

I like that D corps. Might swap Samberg and Ville.

Konecny is a leader.
KC, Iafallo and Barlow for Tkachuk.
Pionk, Schmidt and a 2nd for Quinn. He could play in Lambert's spot if he isn't quite ready yet.
If he is ready, you could play him on the third line and bump down Nino.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Konecny is a leader.
KC, Iafallo and Barlow for Tkachuk.
Pionk, Schmidt and a 2nd for Quinn. He could play in Lambert's spot if he isn't quite ready yet.
If he is ready, you could play him on the third line and bump down Nino.

A litre of what? Konecny hasn’t led his team to anything.

 

[10Ducky10]

A litre of what? Konecny hasn’t led his team to anything.

He plays like he gives a f***. Unlike a lot of players on the Winnipeg team.

 

[Adam da bomb]

He plays like he gives a f***. Unlike a lot of players on the Winnipeg team.

Pity it hasn’t mounted to much.

 

[FonRiesen]

It's not really about size though. Stanley is big, but he doesn't play big.

He's also taking a lot of penalties in the first place.

 

[PitbulI]

I'm looking at potential free agents this upcoming summer and I'm not sure who the Jets could target that would make us that much better while probably going with players under 30.

Would Dumba be an option at RD? Honest question as I'm not sure what happened to him.

 

[Thechozen1]

Pity it hasn’t mounted to much.

Sometimes that’s unfair to place that burden on one player. Look at the teams he has played on. Get him on a better team surrounded by a better supporting cast and he probably shines.

Similar to Sam Bennett now versus his time in Calgary.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Sometimes that’s unfair to place that burden on one player. Look at the teams he has played on. Get him on a better team surrounded by a better supporting cast and he probably shines.

Similar to Sam Bennett now versus his time in Calgary.

If we are paying a lot for him nothing is unfair. Florida got Sam Bennett pretty cheaply. Helly has carried us into playoff contention multiple times.

 

[ThinIce61]

Hey do we want Marner?Toronto doesn't want him, lol.

Ehlers, Bowness, Pionk for Marner, Keefe and Edmundson. We could throw in Stanley and Appleton.

 

[Adam da bomb]

He's also taking a lot of penalties in the first place.

I wonder how many were legit penalties and how much are the refs picking on him, however. There were multiple times that they picked him. Stan would lay out to block a shot the player tripped over his already sprawled out body and penalize him.

 

[Daximus]

Hey do we want Marner?Toronto doesn't want him, lol.

Ehlers, Bowness, Pionk for Marner, Keefe and Edmundson. We could throw in Stanley and Appleton.

Marner is basically just a better playmaking version of Ehlers really. Similar kind of disappearing act in the playoffs.

Upside to him is he is the kind of player that can make a goalscorer much better. Him and Connor could likely work magic but I doubt that TNSE wants to negotiate his next deal. He's likely to be very overpayed for what he will bring. At least Ehlers will likely be earning closer to what he provides.

I wonder how many were legit penalties and how much are the refs picking on him, however. There were multiple times that they picked him. Stan would lay out to block a shot the player tripped over his already sprawled out body and penalize him.

Yeah thats a penalty though. Stan suffers from the to big. When your that size its always tough not to hit to high or get your stick into skates or faces.

 

[Maukkis]

But he scores. Yeah maybe he doesn't look pretty doing it. He gets the job done. Ehlers looks really pretty when he does his thing. He just doesn't get results.

With Ehlers on the ice, we get 60+% of the goals scored at 5v5. That's both a pretty number and a stunning result too. Why ignore the effect on teammates?

The "trade Ehlers" crowd seemingly neglects the fact that it wasn't just Nik who disappeared against the Avs, but rather the entire top 6 was torn apart (some made it out with a higher SH%, though). We've had these same problems for years now. We know that Connor-Scheifele-X has been a bad combination, unless X = Ehlers. Nik has driven most second line compositions with excellent results and 5v5 production, so we've had that going for us.

If you trade Ehlers (and presumably lock in the Connor-Scheifele duo for the foreseeable future), who is meant to carry 81 and 55, who consistently lose their match-ups? Who drives the play on the second line? Many will say Perfetti - do we have a coach that trusts him to play on the second line? What options do we have in regards to the top 6, if the initial combos suck? I'd gladly hear answers to these questions, because if we go into 24-25 with both scoring lines being in terrible shape, we likely don't have to worry about our guys' playoff production at all.

If we could find a coach who's willing (able?) to nuke the "Lowry as a third line shut down centre" idea, could you run:

Ehlers Schief Vilardi
Connor Lowry Perfetti
Nino Lambert Names
Barron Gus/Kupari Appleton

Lowry has generally been pretty dreadful with top talent, but him playing with top talent has also been a matter of emergency and necessity, so there's that. Still, replacing a known bad line with a known good line would be welcome, and we'd at least get to experiment with new combinations.

 

[Hunter368]

Hey do we want Marner?Toronto doesn't want him, lol.

Ehlers, Bowness, Pionk for Marner, Keefe and Edmundson. We could throw in Stanley and Appleton.

I assume you’re joking, but zero interest in Marner or his father or his cap hit or next contract demand. I couldn’t care less about a bunch of useless personal points, if he doesn’t show up when it counts and doesn’t compete when it counts…….no interest. Jets need more guys who compete when it counts, not more guys like Marner who disappears when it counts, avoids physical contact at all cost

 

[10Ducky10]

Ehlers schief Villardi
Kc Lambert/names perfetti
Barron lowry nino
Names/ lamgus chibs l

That lineup is worse than this year's lineup.

 

[Channelcat]

No, Stanley is a 7/8 dman

But it's possible that some idiot GM would overpay for him I guess

I guarantee they would. Don't see it happening though.

 

[Adam da bomb]

That lineup is worse than this year's lineup.

It incorporates a lot of youth and get them into the lineup and doesn’t cost for any big rentals. Barron is an upgrade on Appleton.

Marner is basically just a better playmaking version of Ehlers really. Similar kind of disappearing act in the playoffs.

Upside to him is he is the kind of player that can make a goalscorer much better. Him and Connor could likely work magic but I doubt that TNSE wants to negotiate his next deal. He's likely to be very overpayed for what he will bring. At least Ehlers will likely be earning closer to what he provides.



Yeah thats a penalty though. Stan suffers from the to big. When your that size its always tough not to hit to high or get your stick into skates or faces.

Is it though if the other player purposely skates into you while you are lying on the ice. Sounds more like game management.

 

[10Ducky10]

It incorporates a lot of youth and get them into the lineup and doesn’t cost for any big rentals. Barron is an upgrade on Appleton.

You don't make the playoffs with that lineup.

 

[Jet]

Isn't it wild the 3 awards we did/ might win were our weaknesses in the playoffs?

Jennings -> record worst defense
Vezina -> worst goalie
Jack Adams -> coach too stubborn or incapable of countering the opponent

You don't make the playoffs with that lineup.

I'd risk missing the playoffs if the alternative is performances like what we've seen much of the past 5 post seasons.

Something has to change in this team's psyche and we've obviously not cut out the rot on this team.

 

[Gil Fisher]

But he scores. Yeah maybe he doesn't look pretty doing it. He gets the job done. Ehlers looks really pretty when he does his thing. He just doesn't get results.

One outscores and the other gets outscored. That's really the name of the game.

 

[FonRiesen]

I wonder how many were legit penalties and how much are the refs picking on him, however. There were multiple times that they picked him. Stan would lay out to block a shot the player tripped over his already sprawled out body and penalize him.

After these playoffs, I'm not sure anyone knows what a "legitimate" penalty is... I remember Buff would get some penalties that were essentially "you're not holding back enough" on clean hits, but he also constantly was hammering guys without getting penalties - checks that were true hockey plays, separating guys from the puck, forcing rushed passes - I know he was an elite, unique talent, but I sure miss that combo of Big, Smart and Skilled...