GDT: Win and We're f***ING IN!: Maple Leafs @ Devils, 7 PM, MSG+

[SteveCangialosi123]

Just to put it bluntly, if we get rid of Severson it’s gonna be for a very good player. And it will probably take more than Severson, but it will be for a very good player. An exceptionally good talent.

I have full confidence in Shero. He knows what he has in Severson. I really hope they get him in against Washington. A motivated Severson playing like he can is the second best defenseman on the team.

 

[New Jersey]

I can’t wait to see “Stanley Cup Playoffs” on our ice again. It’s been far too long.

I just got chills visualizing this.

Holy shit.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I hope not, because I think we need him. My ideal scenario is that both Moore and Lovejoy aren’t here next year.

I definitely want the Devils to keep Lovejoy for the last year of his contract, he only makes $2.67M, that's good value for a veteran defenseman presence with > 50 games of Stanley Cup playoff experience, even in the #6 or #7 slot.

The guys that have the puck more will also lead in giveaways.

This is true, which is why turnover differential is more important, and Moore & Severson are the worst two on the Devils defense for that metric.

 

[mtnet]

Now I'm picturing them both on an apple turnovers box like the ones people make for players all the time

 

[New Jersey Devils]

Can we bring back Stevens to work with Severson? My goodness he would do wonders with him.

 

[JimEIV]

This is true, which is why turnover differential is more important, and Moore & Severson are the worst two on the Devils defense for that metric.

Severson has a better ratio than Vatanen and Moore..the puck movers.

Vatanen has 16 takeaways to 32 giveaways

Severson has 26 takeaways to 49 giveaways.

Moore 16 takeaways to 47 giveaways

Mueller .11 and 11

Greene 24 takeaways 37 giveaways

Lovejoy 22 takeaways 26 giveaways

Butcher 20 takeaways 36 giveaways

Severson also leads the defense in takeaways

 

[NjDevsRR]

It is a stupid stat. Good creative players will have a lot of giveaways because they are all going to have a good portion of high risk plays that fail.

 

[OmNomNom]

It is a stupid stat. Good creative players will have a lot of giveaways because they are all going to have a good portion of high risk plays that fail.

that's def not to say that their decision making can't be improved, but i think we'd have to take a look at their specific giveaways/tendencies to address that. that's what the coaches are supposed to be for

 

[JK3]

Oh crap, almost forgot about this one.

 

[JimEIV]

Oh crap, almost forgot about this one.

Garbage with no Coleman

 

[Nubmer6]

Who could we realistically trade Severson for? Do we still need a LHD upgrade after how well Mueller is playing?... but I don't think I've ever seen a trade like that... young promising D traded for another young promising LHD.

I agree on signing Carlson

I'd go for Klefbom. Edmonton was apparently taking offers on him to get a scoring winger for McD. He had a down year, and it doesn't surprised me to see Chiarelli sell low.

 

[BahlDeep]

One thing for sure, Severson leads the team in bad pinches. And to be honest dude is below average defensively.

And lol, Carlsson has 65 points. Please don't include him in the same sentence.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

One thing for sure, Severson leads the team in bad pinches. And to be honest dude is below average defensively.

And lol, Carlsson has 65 points. Please don't include him in the same sentence.

You will hate him, guaranteed. He had 9 goals and 37 points last year. He will likely be somewhere between there and 50 realistically. He has 28 assists on the PP this year, that will be tough to do again without being on the Caps PP.

And of course he’s better than Severson, he’s 5+ years older and will be paid twice as much.

 

[OmNomNom]

i think im also a bit wary of carlson. maybe its the thought of him that makes me giddy, as opposed to what he'll bring

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Also “soft” Damon Severson has 106 hits to Carlson’s 46 and he plays 5 more minutes a game. Again, not saying he’s better, I’m saying that you will hate him for the same reasons you hate Severson if that’s what you spend most of your time on HF doing.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Severson has a better ratio than Vatanen and Moore..the puck movers.

Severson is behind Mueller, Lovejoy, Greene, and Butcher if you solely look at the ratio.

But if you look at net takeaways and giveaways divided by minutes played, which seems more logical to me, when you do that you get in order from best to worst:

1) Mueller
2) Lovejoy
3) Greene
4) Santini
5) Vatanen
6) Butcher
7) Severson
8) Moore

Severson actually coughs up the puck more per minute than any other Devils defesenman. The reason he's not in last place is because he steals the puck more than Moore does, and Moore also coughs up the puck a lot.

 

[BahlDeep]

You will hate him, guaranteed. He had 9 goals and 37 points last year. He will likely be somewhere between there and 50 realistically. He has 28 assists on the PP this year, that will be tough to do again without being on the Caps PP.

And of course he’s better than Severson, he’s 5+ years older and will be paid twice as much.

Who said I want Carlson?

 

[MadDevil]

It kinda is unusual for a former 1st round pick 4 years after his draft year, 23 years old, to have only played 81 NHL games and still playing large swaths of games in remediation minutes.

That's not a typical path of a top 4 defender. That's not to say he can't be, but there is no real evidence of it so far.

You mean just like there was no evidence that Kinkaid would suddenly play like a starting goaltender?

 

[CerebralGenesis]

what is happening in here? Did we just make the playoffs and are bickering about not wanting Carlson?

 

[The Wumpus]

To the extent that it matters, Mueller is probably our nastiest defenseman, especially if Moore is moving on. I liked his willingness to get into it with JVR last night.

 

[JimEIV]

Severson is behind Mueller, Lovejoy, Greene, and Butcher if you solely look at the ratio.

But if you look at net takeaways and giveaways divided by minutes played, which seems more logical to me, when you do that you get in order from best to worst:

1) Mueller
2) Lovejoy
3) Greene
4) Santini
5) Vatanen
6) Butcher
7) Severson
8) Moore

Severson actually coughs up the puck more per minute than any other Devils defesenman. The reason he's not in last place is because he steals the puck more than Moore does, and Moore also coughs up the puck a lot.

It doesn't make sense to look at the net. You are punishing a high event guy and rewarding a low event player in the case of Santini who has far and away the worst ratio among our defensemen with 4 takeaways and 13 giveaways Every defenseman is going to be upside-down in the ratio... Mueller is just an insignificant sample size and probably shouldn't even be counted.

If you are looking at ratios minutes shouldn't matter...2 to 1 is 2 to 1 whether it's 1 minute or 1000

Severson may cough the puck more than any other player, but he also takes it away more than any other player.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

what is happening in here? Did we just make the playoffs and are bickering about not wanting Carlson?

There are 15 other threads where everyone is celebrating and discussing our potential matchups. Need help finding them?

 

[JimEIV]

You mean just like there was no evidence that Kinkaid would suddenly play like a starting goaltender?

Yeah sort of like that.

 

[MadDevil]

Count me in on the being leery about Carlson train. I think he's a good defenseman, but worth 7-8 million a year? That's just a hell of a lot of money, and it's coming off a career year for him.

 

[MadDevil]

what is happening in here? Did we just make the playoffs and are bickering about not wanting Carlson?

We'll find something to argue about during the Cup celebration.