Why's Jeff Skinner labeled as small & concussion prone?

[Empoleon8771]

do you know what a wikipedia is?

adding missed games together over less than five years is not hard

also, you added nothing to the conversation, other than how ill-informed you are

the real hilarious part is that you are yelling at me over something that i agree with you with, had you taken four sdeconds and read the op

I mean, you're just wrong though. Crosby hasn't missed more games than Skinner due to concussions, I'd you actually know how Crosby got hurt, you'd know that. He didn't miss 100+ games due to a concussion.

Skinner is concussion prone because he has had multiple concussions. Crosby isn't and he hasn't had multiple concussions.

Really? I thought he got a concussion in the Winter Classic and then another one against the Lightning and another two against the Bruins? Has it come out that those weren't actually concussions?

Yes, it has been known for years that he didn't suffer multiple concussions. He fractured his vertebrae on the Steckle collision and got the concussion against the Lightning. The Bruins game only flared up the issues from his broken vertebrae. It's no coincidence that Crosby hasn't had any concussion related issues since his vertebrae got fixed.

 

[COHawk]

My real question is why the OP hates capital letters so much?

 

[DaveG]

My real question is why the OP hates capital letters so much?

He's a big fan of e.e. Cummings?

 

[Stjonnypopo]

Despite missing just a few games to injury you can tell it has affected his performance.

Coming back at 70% and playing like garbage over an extended period of time is not good.

 

[LeafFever]

Skinner got way overhyped his first couple seasons. He is small and concussion prone.

 

[GoldiFox]

Despite missing just a few games to injury you can tell it has affected his performance.

Coming back at 70% and playing like garbage over an extended period of time is not good.

The false narrative that Skinner hasn't been good in recent seasons is even more puzzling. Last year Skinner looked as dangerous offensively as he ever has. This is coming from someone who has watched almost every single game Skinner has ever played.

I know people don't watch the Canes, but the confidence some people have is saying Skinner is x or y is just laughable at this point.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The false narrative that Skinner hasn't been good in recent seasons is even more puzzling. Last year Skinner looked as dangerous offensively as he ever has.

Yeah, I second that. "Skinner isn't as good now" signals to me that someone hasn't watched Skinner play regularly in at least two years.

 

[blankall]

The false narrative that Skinner hasn't been good in recent seasons is even more puzzling. Last year Skinner looked as dangerous offensively as he ever has. This is coming from someone who has watched almost every single game Skinner has ever played.

I know people don't watch the Canes, but the confidence some people have is saying Skinner is x or y is just laughable at this point.

Don't think the poster was stating that Skinner didn't play well last season. He was referring to the periods immediately after his concussions. There was definitely a length of time after each concussion where Skinner came back but was clearly not at 100%.

 

[Readytostart]

Ummmm... because he is small and concussion prone?

 

[BlueDream]

Ummmm... because he is small and concussion prone?

That's preposterous! It can't be true given the title of this thread.

 

[NickLidstrom]

He has a history of concussions, is young, isn't exactly large, and his point totals have gone down significantly since his first couple concussions. That's why.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

He has a history of concussions, is young, isn't exactly large, and his point totals have gone down significantly since his first couple concussions. That's why.

Technically, his point totals have not matched his rookie season, but IMO, this is where the some of the false narratives come into play and people tend to forget about context. I don't blame them though, the Canes haven't exactly been a team that other fans seek out to watch in recent years so they likely only see Skinner for the few games their team plays the Canes.

10/11 (Rookie season): 31G, 63 points in 82 games on a team that was 12th in the NHL in overall Goals Scored.
13/14 (Season directly after his first couple of concussions): 33G, 54 points in 71 games (82 game pace = 38G, 63points) on a team that was 22nd in the NHL in overall Goals scored.
15/16: 28G, 51P in 82 games on a team that was 27th in the NHL in goals scored.

If it wasn't for a wrist injury that cost him 11 games in 13/14, he would have matched his rookie season point total and far exceeded his goal total, even so, he exceeded it with 33G in 11 less games. Skinner is a goal scorer, first and foremost. If you put him on a team that has trouble scoring, his point totals will drop as he won't get as many assists, he's not a playmaker, nor does he look for the pass first. Just simply saying his "point totals have gone down" and using that as a justification for any argument, IMO isn't a very good justification because it ignores the information I posted above.

That said, that's a different issue than what the OP asked. He's on the small side and he's had 3 concussions in 6 NHL seasons. It's pretty obvious why he's viewed as being small and concussion prone so it's a curious topic to start in the first place. He also needs to put together some consistency year to year. In his 6 year career, he's had 3 good seasons, 2 so-so/not so good seasons, and 1 really bad season. He needs to stay healthy and have another solid season to back up what he did last season. Once he strings a few seasons together like that, a lot of those discussions start to fade. If he continues to have inconsistency year to year, the views of him will remain the same, and rightfully so.

 

[NickLidstrom]

Technically, his point totals have not matched his rookie season, but IMO, this is where the some of the false narratives come into play and people tend to forget about context. I don't blame them though, the Canes haven't exactly been a team that other fans seek out to watch in recent years so they likely only see Skinner for the few games their team plays the Canes.

10/11 (Rookie season): 31G, 63 points in 82 games on a team that was 12th in the NHL in overall Goals Scored.
13/14 (Season directly after his first couple of concussions): 33G, 54 points in 71 games (82 game pace = 38G, 63points) on a team that was 22nd in the NHL in overall Goals scored.
15/16: 28G, 51P in 82 games on a team that was 27th in the NHL in goals scored.

If it wasn't for a wrist injury that cost him 11 games in 13/14, he would have matched his rookie season point total and far exceeded his goal total, even so, he exceeded it with 33G in 11 less games. Skinner is a goal scorer, first and foremost. If you put him on a team that has trouble scoring, his point totals will drop as he won't get as many assists, he's not a playmaker, nor does he look for the pass first. Just simply saying his "point totals have gone down" and using that as a justification for any argument, IMO isn't a very good justification because it ignores the information I posted above.

That said, that's a different issue than what the OP asked. He's on the small side and he's had 3 concussions in 6 NHL seasons. It's pretty obvious why he's viewed as being small and concussion prone so it's a curious topic to start in the first place. He also needs to put together some consistency year to year. In his 6 year career, he's had 3 good seasons, 2 so-so/not so good seasons, and 1 really bad season. He needs to stay healthy and have another solid season to back up what he did last season. Once he strings a few seasons together like that, a lot of those discussions start to fade. If he continues to have inconsistency year to year, the views of him will remain the same, and rightfully so.

That actually is fairly impressive,thanks for letting me know. I think I was basing my opinion on his 30 point season a couple years ago. You guys must get awfully tired of explaining his career.

 

[TOGuy14]

1) He's below average size.

2) He's had multiple concussion and is only 24.

Also 5'll my ass. He's clearly more like 5'8''...5'9'' tops. Patrick Kane is also listed at 5'11''. Not a chance. It doesn't help that these guys are surrounded by guys like Eric Staal, who are a legit 6'3'' or so, but they definitely exaggerate. The smaller the player, the more they exaggerate. They are trying to mitigate what could be perceived as a serious short coming (Zing!).

Here is the 5'10 Taylor Swift ducking down slightly to take a picture with Jeff Skinner. No way that guy is 5'11, even on skates...

 

[GoldiFox]

Here is the 5'10 Taylor Swift ducking down slightly to take a picture with Jeff Skinner. No way that guy is 5'11, even on skates...

Well that pretty much settles it. Of course you also fact checked that she couldn't possibly be wearing heels, right? They are both barefoot here?

 

[THall4]

Probably because he is small...and concussion prone.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Skinner is grazed and gets a concussion. 5'11 is small.

 

[nmbr_24]

Most players don't look the same after several years in the league.

Skinner is a better player today than he was 4 years ago.

I don't see him as much as you obviously do but he sure looked to have up and down years and he doesn't look the same, that isn't saying he is terrible, he just doesn't seem to play as recklessly maybe, it isn't actually a comment on how good he is at all.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't see him as much as you obviously do but he sure looked to have up and down years and he doesn't look the same, that isn't saying he is terrible, he just doesn't seem to play as recklessly maybe, it isn't actually a comment on how good he is at all.

That's a fair assessment, and that's a good thing.

It's a bit of a fine line with Skinner. Part of what makes him a dangerous scorer is never giving up on a play and getting into the prime scoring areas, both with and without the puck. That also can put him in spots which can lead to taking hits (although his 1st 2 concussions really weren't those cases, but the point remains). Like any young player, as he's matured, he's learning when to press and when to give up on a play because the chances of a bad outcome are much more likely than the chances of a good outcome. So in that regards, yes, he's less reckless. He's also extremely competitive and doesn't back down in situations, leading to frustration and penalties. It's gotten better as he's matured, but there are still cases where it flairs up, like when he was getting frustrated when Ristolainen was being physical with him this year.

I think this past season, he's shown the most growth in his game and hopefully it continues. Like I said earlier though, until he puts together a couple of good (and healthy) seasons in a row together, there will always be questions, comments and perceptions of him.

 

[RodTheBawd]

I'd give him 5'10" after standing next to him, but his skating style does make him seem smaller. People are underrating his strength, he's quietly a workhorse in the offseason. Virtually no skill guys have Crosby's core/lower body strength, but it's not like Skinner is slight like Kaner.

It's gotten better as he's matured, but there are still cases where it flairs up, like when he was getting frustrated when Ristolainen was being physical with him this year.

**** that. I'd get frustrated too if after realizing refs weren't doing **** about it, my coach and team didn't do **** either. And **** Peters for publicly calling him out after. Yes, I'm still pissed about that

 

[tarheelhockey]

I'd give him 5'10" after standing next to him, but his skating style does make him seem smaller.

I think that's where a lot of it comes from. Skinner isn't a "very small" player, like Gerbe or St Louis, or even Gaudreau who is noticeably smaller. But he does skate with a very low center of balance, with a deep knee/waist bend and often leaning hard into his edges. People often say Crosby because of the official height/weight similarity, but physically he's more like a Patrick Kane.

 

[GoldiFox]

I think that's where a lot of it comes from. Skinner isn't a "very small" player, like Gerbe or St Louis, or even Gaudreau who is noticeably smaller. But he does skate with a very low center of balance, with a deep knee/waist bend and often leaning hard into his edges. People often say Crosby because of the official height/weight similarity, but physically he's more like a Patrick Kane.

I think he has molded his offensive zone game to look closer to Pat Kane as well. I've been impressed with the adjustments he has been able to make. He has shown he can be a shift-by-shift impact player (going to the dirty areas) with high enough awareness to keep himself out of injury trouble.

 

[biturbo19]

Some people take listed measurements way too seriously. Comparing every sub-6ft player to Crosby is an ridiculous standard.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

Plays the game hard and he keeps a very low center of balance in stride. The Brooks Orpik hit is prime example of how his stride makes him vulnerable.

 

[iamjs]

Really? I thought he got a concussion in the Winter Classic and then another one against the Lightning and another two against the Bruins? Has it come out that those weren't actually concussions?

Crosby suffered a mild concussion and 2 fractured vertebrae in January of 2011. Those fractured vertebrae caused concussion like symptoms and caused him to miss over 80% of the games he missed from those injuries.

https://cerebrovortex.com/2012/01/2...-723pm-est-last-updated-sunday-jan-29-2012-9/