Rhiessan71
Just a Fool
Gretzky played ~1% more NHL games (incl. playoffs) to that point, only because of the canceled lockout season... and you say "AINEC"?
I didn't know we were taking travel into account, my sweet lord.
I thought we were talking about actual hockey played. And no, I don't think the '79 WHA was that much different from the KHL/Czech leagues, esp. considering that was much less than 10% of each player's games to that point.
If you want to take other factors into account and tally up wear and tear, maybe start with Gretzky rarely being hit and Jagr playing a possession game and digging pucks out of the corners while (as Shanahan said in '07) "Jagr takes more abuse than any player I've seen." The amount of abuse he took and the rules enforcement in 2007 was nothing like it was in Jagr's prime, and no one would pretend otherwise.
Jagr was 18 when he started his first NHL season, less than one year older than Gretzky in his first NHL season. He was 17 when he played in the top Czech league. Was he supposed to fly around the world to try to play in the last season of the WHA? Seriously? When he started playing Jrs. he was 12 and playing against players 5-6 years older than him.
Let's be reality here.
You need to live up to your name my friend and check your math.
Gretzky 17-35 78/79-95/96:
1395 NHL/WHA games
206 NHL/WHA PO games
1601 total games played
Jagr 18-35 90/91-06/07
1191 NHL games
159 NHL PO games
1350 total NHL games played
Even if we added the 80-90 games he lost to the LO in '05, he's still over 150 games behind Gretzky.
And yes, travel is a factor. A West coast sched takes a huge toll on players.
You also may want to look up Gretzky's younger days, he was playing against 10 and 11 years old's at freakin 6 years old and dominating them.
He ALWAYS played against kids 4-5 years older than him until he was eligible for Junior A at 16.
He played Junior B at 14.
His single year in Junior A, as only a 16 year old, he broke the single season scoring record!
Jagr was also a 6'3" 230+lb monster.
Gretzky was a 5'11" 170lb runt.
I know you love Jagr and I like him a lot too but seriously, you're fighting a losing battle on this one.
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