Why did we ever trade Martinez?
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Sol
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They made the right call trading him. They were going younger and that’s what they did
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Well he’s a bit overpaid so paying 5.2 on his next contract means it was a great time to move him. Yes he’s still a decent player but you have to manage based on what you think they will do for you in the future (in most cases). Whilst franchise players are exception to that across the league, right or wrong, it’s how it needs to be done especially as we were heading to rebuild.
2-4 Slashin
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Absolutely feel this way. I also believe we tried to do him a solid by trading him to a team that was trending toward being perpetual cup contenders at that time.
Ziggy Stardust
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That's what rebuilding teams do. Martinez isn't worth that contract he has now, and he'll be turning 35 soon.
Don't know if you've paid any attention, but Martinez also missed a ton of action this past season and only appeared in 26 games, and he's clearly on the downside of his career at this stage.
This isn't the same player from 8 years ago.
Don't know if you've paid any attention, but Martinez also missed a ton of action this past season and only appeared in 26 games, and he's clearly on the downside of his career at this stage.
This isn't the same player from 8 years ago.
Complications from the skate he took to the face, I think there may have been a concussion too
KingsFan7824
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After the team quite in the 2018 training camp, everyone that could have been realistically gotten rid of, was gotten rid of. Rightfully so. Maybe if that collective group would've been a little more prepared to play hockey, they could've stayed together and tried making the playoffs a few more times. But, they chose their path.
VILARGOD
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You’re correct in all these statements. I probably just feel bad for the guy. He definitely did not want to leave LA. Or atleast that’s what it seems.
The same reason we moved Muzzin, to get assets for a rebuild and return to competitive form in the future that would not involve these players. Maximize their return while they have value. If we were still competitive, we would have held onto them probably.
DryIslandBartender
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Don’t kid yourself, Alec will always be a King. He’s happy in Vegas with a nice contract.
That was a great move by Lombardi to trade up in the fourth round with the Capitals to get him in 2007. Earlier in the draft used a 2nd rounder from Vancouver in the Sopel trade on Wayne Simmonds. A very active GM on draft day.
That was a great move by Lombardi to trade up in the fourth round with the Capitals to get him in 2007. Earlier in the draft used a 2nd rounder from Vancouver in the Sopel trade on Wayne Simmonds. A very active GM on draft day.
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Answered your own question. Same goes for Muzzin.
Players want to win – some may prefer to move on and try to win somewhere else.
As @DryIslandBartender mentioned, players like Pearson, Toffoli, Marty, Cliffy, Lewis etc. that won the cup here in LA will always be bonded in that regard.
I think Martinez was not happy that the Kings were rebuilding. I'm sure no one wants to go through a rebuild but I think Martinez was the most vocal. I remember reading rumors that stated as such.
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Was injury prone at 4 million per... and now at 5.2 it's getting even worse. Good player but age and injuries don't mix. Same for Muzzin.
We got them playing in their prime years and sold high on them before decline.
Wish I did the same with my portfolio to be honest.
We got them playing in their prime years and sold high on them before decline.
Wish I did the same with my portfolio to be honest.
this past year injury with Martinez was such a fluke. And then I really believe Vegas did not rush back due to cap.
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shot blocking dmen seem to age like hitting power forwards, put a lot of banged up mileage on quicker than most
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This might be the most pointless thread created ever. Trading AMart was the most no brainer thing. If he hadn't been traded, then a VERY worthy thread would have been: "Why didn't the Kings ever trade Martinez?"
VILARGOD
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I was up late, had some drinks, and was watching old kings clips when I made it. I just thought after those historic goals he scored he deserved a tad better but when I woke up this morning I realized I answered my own questions and also that at his price tag it wasn’t worth it to keep him
So, forgive me I guess...
DoktorJeep
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It’s been 2.5 years since the trade, so it’s valid to ask what happened there.
The trade brought back two seconds.
From what I can tell that has turned into Fiala and possibly Arvidsson. And Grans is there as well.
So pretty good returns that lend credit to Blake. My only contention is it should have happened sooner for higher picks, just like all the guys sold too late.
The trade brought back two seconds.
From what I can tell that has turned into Fiala and possibly Arvidsson. And Grans is there as well.
So pretty good returns that lend credit to Blake. My only contention is it should have happened sooner for higher picks, just like all the guys sold too late.
All The Kings Men
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DoktorJeep
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If that’s correct, then I redact my praise of Blake.
Here are my sources….
Faber is a return for A Mart in 2020
The Los Angeles Kings clearly won the Alec Martinez trade
While losing a former Stanley Cup champion is never easy, the Los Angeles Kings extracted maximum value from the Vegas Golden Knights for Alec Martinez.
puckprose.com
Carolina picks at 40 via Nashville and LA in 2021
2021 NHL Entry Draft - Wikipedia
All The Kings Men
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Martinez was traded for
- 2020 2nd round pick (60th overall)
- 2021 2nd round pick (49th overall)
pick 60 was traded for Lias Andersson
pick 48 was packaged with a 5th rounder to move up and select Francesco Pinelli
And I believe pick 49 became pick 48 because the Coyotes were stripped of a pick
- 2020 2nd round pick (60th overall)
- 2021 2nd round pick (49th overall)
pick 60 was traded for Lias Andersson
pick 48 was packaged with a 5th rounder to move up and select Francesco Pinelli
And I believe pick 49 became pick 48 because the Coyotes were stripped of a pick
BigKing
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Yep. Andersson and Pinelli.If that’s correct, then I redact my praise of Blake.
Here are my sources….
Faber is a return for A Mart in 2020
The Los Angeles Kings clearly won the Alec Martinez trade
While losing a former Stanley Cup champion is never easy, the Los Angeles Kings extracted maximum value from the Vegas Golden Knights for Alec Martinez.
Carolina picks at 40 via Nashville and LA in 2021
2021 NHL Entry Draft - Wikipedia
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Blake used the Toffoli 2nd to move up for Faber. Used the first Vegas 2nd on Andersson and used the second Vegas 2nd to move up to get Pinelli.
With the way Martinez played after the trade, the return already looked light. The return on Toffoli was light as well seeing as he has been traded for more since then.
Good on Blake for using that pick from Vancouver to move up for Faber but he didn't trade Toffoli for Madden and Faber: he did it for Madden and a pick. Good job to use it to move up though.
Blake has done quite well with the two Toronto trades and Arvi. The process was correct with Toffoli and Martinez but the results don't look to be there. Of course, that depends on if you are of the mindset to say "He traded Toffoli for Madden and Faber and, ultimately Fiala".
KopitarFAN
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Decent chance Martinez is the next guy VGK has to move in order to be compliant on opening night.
