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IMO the surest sign that Gillis is on the hot seat is 50% off coupons at Ticketmaster the morning of a playoff game. If we get bounced in the first round, IMO Gillis is on his last season.
You realize that even with Ehrhoff they put up the worst ranked offense in NHL history among teams to make it to the SCF?
I may sound bitter when I say this, but this team's scoring issues stem from one major problem - no Ehrhoff.
At least they were winning games up until the last series. Bottomline is, they were scoring ENOUGH to win which is the goal.
IMO the surest sign that Gillis is on the hot seat is 50% off coupons at Ticketmaster the morning of a playoff game. If we get bounced in the first round, IMO Gillis is on his last season.
Could that have had anything to do with the initial, ridiculous price point?
And not anything to do with the VAN's ability to pull in fans?
But scoring 2 goals a game and hoping your goalie can bail you out isn't a sustainable path to success. There's a reason no other team in the history of the league got that far on such little offense and that's because it's basically impossible to replicate.
Except they weren't ridiculous to the only person that matters - the owner.
THey didn't price 'em to not sell 'em - unsold tickets are unsold tickets - expectations not met.
First round exit and, IMO, Gillis is dead man walking.
Letting Ehrhoff go was another of Gillis' many mistakes.
Here's the full list:
1) Mats Sundin's ridiculous contract (granted he only signed a one year, but if it had been for two the 2010-2011 Cup Run never would have happened with Sundin taking up a $10 million CAP HIT)
2) Trading valuable assets for Keith Ballard. This was done out of pure fear that he was going to miss out on Hamhuis, so he panicked and got rid of our 1st (Quinton Howden, who would be one of our best prospects), Grabner (who has gone on to eventually provide good secondary scoring elsewhere) and a decent bottom-sixer in Bernier. Ballard has never fit on this team and now takes up a considerable amount of cap space to sit on the bench.
3) Letting Ehrhoff walk. This is an obvious mistake now, but didn't look so bad at the time. Fact is, he was absolutely crucial to the success of the team and now we can't score at all with nearly the same personnel.
4) Signing Marco Sturm and then trading for David Booth. One mistake for another. Sure, Booth is a decent player when he's healthy...but he's never healthy. And he wasn't even considered decent this year. And he makes way too much. Blegh.
5) Trading Cody Hodgson for Zack Kassian WHEN HE DID. I'm not bashing Kassian, I think he's going to be a good player one day. But when that happens, this core will likely be finished. Hodgson was a complainer and a prima donna but he was READY at the time to step in for Kesler in case he got injured again (which he has, several times now.) Hodgson is now a top line center on the Sabres and produced almost as many points as any of our players, including the Sedins.
6) The Luongo debacle. Never mind the fact that the contract itself is awful...Gillis has completely botched this situation to the point that he couldn't even trade him for Ben ****ing Scrivens. He was offered Luke Schenn straight up at the draft (who was flipped for JVR, why Gillis wasn't in on that on a three-way is beyond me) and he should have taken him and cut his losses. Instead, we are now stuck with an unhappy player who is unmovable and may require a release from contract. Nobody needs a starting goalie anymore, let alone with that contract.
7) Refusing to fire Vigneault after the finals loss/last year/this year. We will see if this is to be his downfall, but AV has had to go for a while now and Gillis might just find himself going with him if we bow out in the first round. Vigneault is a decent coach on a team like Nashville...NOT here. We have too much talent to be playing this poorly.
And I'm sure I've missed something. The guy is just an overrated GM, plain and simple. His errors have cost this team dearly and nullified a potential yearly threat to win the Cup out of pure ego.
Also, completely disagree with you on Gillis. He's built up too much credit with amassing the most wins over 4.5 years. Even a 1st round exit won't mean much compared to that resume. On the whole.
Overall, the difference between a Canucks team WITH Ehrhoff and WITHOUT Ehrhoff is night and day. He finished in top 10 Norris voting in 2011. Gillis let a top 10 defenseman leave via free agency for nothing and that is by far and away his biggest mistake as Canucks GM.
Agree except 3 and 7.
Erhoff is not that good, throught the SCF run I was not impressed with his play and felt the team would have been better without him. A guy like Garrison is much more solid all round. Erhoff got points but he also made alot of bad shots/ giveaways and ultimately decreased team scoring.
Can't really knock a coach who makes a SCF run and 2 presidents back to back.
Possession? The team makes a stretch pass and tips it in 9/10 times. That's not a possession system.
Is that what we were doing, though? Was our goalie really bailing us out through that run or did we control the play for the most part and just weren't able to finish?
If we were being bailed out the whole time it would've been pretty clear that Luongo was the leading Conn Smythe candidate going into the finals. He wasn't. An option, sure, but I remember discussion leading him to be a "yeah, I guess so" as opposed to the obvious choice.
Not saying the offense didn't need to be better, far from it, but the team still maintained their dominance in terms of possession which I don't think is reflected when you say they hoped their goalie would bail them out every night.
This season the team was still good at ES, but we don't seem to have that level of dominance and we certainly don't have the same quick transition game we did. We were spoiled back then as that was a hell of a season so maybe our standards are a little high, but after last night you're seeing the Canucks actually get outplayed. We may not have scored a whole lot in 2011 either, but we sure as hell weren't getting outplayed.
Agree except 3 and 7.
Erhoff is not that good, throught the SCF run I was not impressed with his play and felt the team would have been better without him. A guy like Garrison is much more solid all round. Erhoff got points but he also made alot of bad shots/ giveaways and ultimately decreased team scoring.
Can't really knock a coach who makes a SCF run and 2 presidents back to back.
Going into the SJ series, we scored less goals than we allowed: 2.31 vs 2.54
After the SJ series where we scored a boatload of goals including a 7-spot, overall we could only outscore our GAA by 0.2 (2.78 vs 2.56).
Overall we scored 2.32 goals per game and gave up 2.76. This was inflated because the Bruins scored 3.29 goals against us.
For reference, the Bruins postseason GAA was 2.5 before they ran into us. Note that this is identical to our GAA of 2.5 before we ran into them.
So yes, our goalies for the most part bailed us out. IF you look at the Bruins, they ooutscored their GAA by a full goal overall in the playoffs. Add in a historical two shutouts by Lu in the SCF and it's pretty much a closed case.
Letting Ehrhoff go was another of Gillis' many mistakes.
Here's the full list:
1) Mats Sundin's ridiculous contract (granted he only signed a one year, but if it had been for two the 2010-2011 Cup Run never would have happened with Sundin taking up a $10 million CAP HIT)
2) Trading valuable assets for Keith Ballard. This was done out of pure fear that he was going to miss out on Hamhuis, so he panicked and got rid of our 1st (Quinton Howden, who would be one of our best prospects), Grabner (who has gone on to eventually provide good secondary scoring elsewhere) and a decent bottom-sixer in Bernier. Ballard has never fit on this team and now takes up a considerable amount of cap space to sit on the bench.
3) Letting Ehrhoff walk. This is an obvious mistake now, but didn't look so bad at the time. Fact is, he was absolutely crucial to the success of the team and now we can't score at all with nearly the same personnel.
4) Signing Marco Sturm and then trading for David Booth. One mistake for another. Sure, Booth is a decent player when he's healthy...but he's never healthy. And he wasn't even considered decent this year. And he makes way too much. Blegh.
5) Trading Cody Hodgson for Zack Kassian WHEN HE DID. I'm not bashing Kassian, I think he's going to be a good player one day. But when that happens, this core will likely be finished. Hodgson was a complainer and a prima donna but he was READY at the time to step in for Kesler in case he got injured again (which he has, several times now.) Hodgson is now a top line center on the Sabres and produced almost as many points as any of our players, including the Sedins.
6) The Luongo debacle. Never mind the fact that the contract itself is awful...Gillis has completely botched this situation to the point that he couldn't even trade him for Ben ****ing Scrivens. He was offered Luke Schenn straight up at the draft (who was flipped for JVR, why Gillis wasn't in on that on a three-way is beyond me) and he should have taken him and cut his losses. Instead, we are now stuck with an unhappy player who is unmovable and may require a release from contract. Nobody needs a starting goalie anymore, let alone with that contract.
7) Refusing to fire Vigneault after the finals loss/last year/this year. We will see if this is to be his downfall, but AV has had to go for a while now and Gillis might just find himself going with him if we bow out in the first round. Vigneault is a decent coach on a team like Nashville...NOT here. We have too much talent to be playing this poorly.
And I'm sure I've missed something. The guy is just an overrated GM, plain and simple. His errors have cost this team dearly and nullified a potential yearly threat to win the Cup out of pure ego.
Canucks seem to be playing as hard as they can. They simply do not have another gear! I think they get used to playing within the division, have success and think it is enough. Plainly, it isn't!
We have 16 goals in the last 14 playoff games.
We have 16 goals in the last 14 playoff games.