Who would you Trade?? [Gardiner or Franson]

[Sundin 13]

It simply depends on the return.

 

[TieClark]

Gardiner. He could fetch more in a trade and we have someone who could do what he's supposed to do already.

 

[highslot]

either, more or both if we can get a top prospect or 1c.

 

[Fabulous]

Neither, but if I had to choose, probably Franson.

 

[Auzzie19]

this is why we keep gardiner and trade franson.


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Its decided Gardiner FTW, these 2 are studs.

 

[Felstead]

Franson and its simple.

Gards is gonna be an RFA at the end of the year and leafs might want to bridge the contract/give him south of 4Mil.(Lock him up long term)

Franson is under a 1 year deal and will still become an RFA at the end of the year and will want North of 4Mil/is older than gards. Great player but long-term I believe Gardiner edges him.

Both players value is indeed high and I would put them both at "equal value" Therefore it would make more sense to dish off Franson while he is still an RFA and let the other team work out a contract that will most likley be over 4 Mil while gaining either assets or picks in return.

 

[Celly Hard]

Franson and its simple.

Gards is gonna be an RFA at the end of the year and leafs might want to bridge the contract/give him south of 4Mil.(Lock him up long term)

Franson is under a 1 year deal and will still become an RFA at the end of the year and will want North of 4Mil/is older than gards. Great player but long-term I believe Gardiner edges him.

Both players value is indeed high and I would put them both at "equal value" Therefore it would make more sense to dish off Franson while he is still an RFA and let the other team work out a contract that will most likley be over 4 Mil while gaining either assets or picks in return.

Going forward, Gardiner and Rielly are going to be our stud dmen. Building our D around them is what we should be looking to do, and add a few hard hitting stay at home Dmen. However, i doubt we move Franson over Gards mainly because of Randy's hard on for Franny, and distaste for gardiner.

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

If I had to choose, Gardiner. He skates well and usually does a decent job evading forechecking pressure, but he's so weak and has nothing but rocks in his head. He relies purely on his ability to out-skate opponents, so when it works it looks awfully nice, but when he's not doing that, he's constantly flubbing on easy passes, throwing the puck to teammates who aren't open, getting caught too far up the ice for even when there's absolutely no conceivable reason not to be staying back, etc. etc.

Franson has had a bad season so far, but at least he's proven capable of putting up pretty significant offensive numbers in the right role, while also looking decent defensively (not this season, but when playing more sheltered minutes with Fraser), and having an excellent point shot and a good outlet pass most of the time. He can also throw a helluva hit too, when he wants to.

Don't get me wrong, I like Gardiner's upside, but holy lord god has he been frustrating to watch ever since coming back from that head injury. One shift he's cutting through the other team's neutral zone trap like a knife through butter, the next shift he can't complete a ****ing three foot pass and roves around like an idiot with little to no regard for where anyone else on the ice is.

 

[Celly Hard]

He plays on the right side out of necessity. We have 6 LHD and one RHD.

A lot of unnecessary turnovers happen when defensemen playing on their wrong/off side are forced to play the puck off their backhand to get the puck out of danger. Phaneuf is not immune to this.

Phaneuf has been playing on the right side since he entered the league... He wont change now.

 

[Mess]

I'd trade Franson preferably between the two Dmen.

However Rielly is very similar is style to Gardiner and Jake has more trade value then Franson so the player coming back in return would influence my decision on this topic.

 

[Faltorvo]

I would have to see what the best offer on the table was for each player.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Considering potential and pending contract situation which includes guaranteed controllable years and cap hit Franson is the obvious vote.

But Gardiner would bring more back in a trade return.

 

[JackJ]

Franson

 

[Delicious Dangles*]

The correct answer is trading Franson, and it's literally not even close.

1. Gardiner is already better than Franson (Gardiner has been our 2nd best and 2nd most used defenseman this year. Franson struggles heavily at more than bottom-pairing/PP specialist).
2. Gardiner has more potential than Franson.
3. Franson will cost WAY more and we can't afford him, especially compared to his value to the team.

 

[indigobuffalo]

This poll doesn't provide enough justification for either trade.

Why are either being traded? What are we getting?

Gardiner has more trade value, so the Leafs would get a better player, and the Leafs have less of a need for Gardiner due to Rielly, so that makes Gardiner more expendable.

Furthermore, Franson is the only RHD on the roster, making him even MORE valuable, and he is a better Carlyle type player, making him more valuable to the Leafs (though that doesn't improve his trade value).

So Franson is worth less to other teams than to the Leafs, Gardiner is worth more, and is expendable... why would anyone vote Franson?

 

[indigobuffalo]

The correct answer is trading Franson, and it's literally not even close.

1. Gardiner is already better than Franson (Gardiner has been our 2nd best and 2nd most used defenseman this year. Franson struggles heavily at more than bottom-pairing/PP specialist).
2. Gardiner has more potential than Franson.
3. Franson will cost WAY more and we can't afford him, especially compared to his value to the team.

This makes sense. The better, more potential-loaded player will obviously be less expensive...

Do you by any chance work at HSBC?

 

[Delicious Dangles*]

This makes sense. The better, more potential-loaded player will obviously be less expensive...

Do you by any chance work at HSBC?

Contracts, especially in arbitration (which Franson but not Gardiner is eligible for), are based heavily on point totals, which Franson gets every opportunity to put up on the PP, where he gets most of his points.

Franson is also closer to UFA status, and has taken discounts twice, which is not the case for Gardiner. Franson's arbitration could kill us.

 

[glg51*]

Why no option for Rielly?

 

[Diatomic]

Trade Frannyyyy!!! lead feet

 

[Leafidelity]

Franson makes Gardiner look like Ryan Suter defensively

 

[Judas Tavares]

Franson is a complete joke in his own end. Lucky for him that half slap shot will earn him a living.

Franson and Ranger are just horrid in their own end.

 

[Wendelstache]

Franson is a complete joke in his own end. Lucky for him that half slap shot will earn him a living.

Franson and Ranger are just horrid in their own end.

This x1000, Franson is a bigger pylon than Luke Schenn in the defensive end.