Who was the most undeserving Vezina winner in the last 10 seasons?

[Boreal01]

If you don't view any of the candidates as explicitly undeserving, vote for the candidate that you believe won by the narrowest margin over the next most deserving candidate

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[Machinehead]

I have to vote for Fleury simply because you can't argue with that Kucherov rant

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Fleury hands down

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

MAF's was a lifetime achievement award like Lidstrom's last Norris

 

[McDavid is too whiny]

Martin Brodeur, 06-07. Luongo was robbed.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Martin Brodeur, 06-07. Luongo was robbed.

Brodeur played more games, had more shutouts and a better save percentage. Also more than a decade ago.

 

[McDavid is too whiny]

Brodeur played more games, had more shutouts and a better save percentage. Also more than a decade ago.

I totally didn’t read the full title.

 

[Regal]

Every site that measures shot quality puts Rask’s ‘14 well behind the leaders that season. I think Boston’s system helped save percentage and it wasn’t his best year despite the Vezina. Holtby would probably be my number 2, though I think he was better the following year. Lol at the votes for Price. Literally the most obvious Vezina in this time. Hellebuyck is a bit ridiculous as well. It wasn’t a particularly strong Vezina but he was very clearly the best that year among weak competition. I think Fleury’s reputation and recency is hurting him here too. There was a couple guys who could have won, but he was right there with them. I think people are voting for the strength of the season rather than whether they should have won, which seems an odd way of measuring deserving

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Vasilevsky, pretty easily.

He was 6th in sv% and 9th in GAA on a power house team. A very pedestrian .925/2.40

Bishop was 1st in sv% at .934 and 2nd in GAA at 1.99 and 1st in GSAA with 32

There's no goaltending metric that says Vasilevsky deserved it over Bishop.

 

[JoVel]

Vasilevsky, pretty easily.

He was 6th in sv% and 9th in GAA on a power house team. A very pedestrian .925/2.40

Bishop was 1st in sv% at .934 and 2nd in GAA at 1.99 and 1st in GSAA with 32

There's no goaltending metric that says Vasilevsky deserved it over Bishop.

Bishop also had 46 games played. You're not gonna get the Vezina with that.

 

[Favin]

Jim Carey 1995-96

In last ten years, probably Lundqvist, Holtby or Hellebuyck. Hard to hold anything from 2020-21 against anyone as it wasn't a real season.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Imagine unironically voting Price here

 

[ESH]

I don’t think any of them were undeserving. There were some years that other goalies could have won and would have been deserving, but I think I agree with every winner here.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Brodeur played more games, had more shutouts and a better save percentage. Also more than a decade ago.

Off topic (you're right, it was more than a decade ago), but Luongo had a higher save percentage than Brodeur at ES, on the PK, and on the PP. But the Devils were a much more disciplined team and Luongo faced a greater proportion of shots while his team was shorthanded.

In other words - despite Luongo stopping the puck more effectively than Brodeur in all three situations, he had a lower save percentage overall because the Devils were much more disciplined than the Canucks and spent less time on the PK.

 

[The Macho King]

While some of them were questionable, I think only one of the Vezina winners didn't also come away with the 1st All-Star.

That would be MAF. #1 Bullshit

 

[GermanSpitfire]

It is Number one bull****

Honestly though - all Vezina’s awarded here were worthy. No complaints from me.

 

[Romang67]

Probably 2014 Rask or 2013 Bob. Both played well, but did so behind strong defensive teams. No one stands out as an egregious pick though.

MAF last season is, quite frankly, a bad pick. He was 2nd among starters in sv%, he vastly outplayed a legit starter in Lehner, and he was third among starters in GSAx, despite playing 6 and 9 games less than #1 and #2. He was great last season and deserved the Vezina.

 

[triggrman]

I think Vezina’s are actually the more accurate of the the end of year awards

 

[Zanon]

Martin Brodeur, 06-07. Luongo was robbed.

Was robbed in 2004 as well.

 

[Voight]

I think Vezina’s are actually the more accurate of the the end of year awards

Thats because the GMs vote on it and not a bunch of journalists with narratives and biases.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Thats because the GMs vote on it and not a bunch of journalists with narratives and biases.

Not even sure the journalists even have a narrative, or bias. A lot of them are just dumb/lazy.

My choice would be Rask I guess ? Great system, but even then you still need a goalie to make the big saves.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

Thats because the GMs vote on it and not a bunch of journalists with narratives and biases.

And yet 4 GMs completely left Vasilevskiy off their ballot last year. I would prefer that an impartial party votes on it, but it is what it is.

I 100% agree about journalists though.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I'm gonna say Rask's in 14. Not that I think he's super undeserving, but the season Varly had is really overlooked as far as goalie seasons go I think. He had some stupid good numbers behind a defense that is genuinely one of the worst(at least on name recognition) that's been assembled in recent memory. The fact that he also finished 4th for the Hart reinforces this point.

 

[pegcity]

Every site that measures shot quality puts Rask’s ‘14 well behind the leaders that season. I think Boston’s system helped save percentage and it wasn’t his best year despite the Vezina. Holtby would probably be my number 2, though I think he was better the following year. Lol at the votes for Price. Literally the most obvious Vezina in this time. Hellebuyck is a bit ridiculous as well. It wasn’t a particularly strong Vezina but he was very clearly the best that year among weak competition. I think Fleury’s reputation and recency is hurting him here too. There was a couple guys who could have won, but he was right there with them. I think people are voting for the strength of the season rather than whether they should have won, which seems an odd way of measuring deserving

This.
If you look at the fancy stats, it's Holtby, Rask and Vasilevsky (Vasilevsky has improved since the vezina though and would be my pick if I had to pick a goalie to build an NHL team).

Fleury was one of the top 3 goalies last season.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Rask