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Dont forget Lucky Lucs 63G/125PT season in 92-93 Highest scoring LW in NHL history. Bure is arguably the most dynamic player ever, never really had a legit setup man.
i don't think it's close, no offense to Luc. Gretzky is in a different universe than Cliff Ronning. Bure scored goals by himself, lots of them. I don't even care that his were fancy, and Luc's were usually simple... just give Pavel a top notch center and watch out.
Well thats the thing Bure never had a top playmaking centre feeding him the puck. Messier didnt have chemistry with him in Vancouver, his best was probably Petr Nedved in NY. Some of his best offensive seasons were in Florida where his centre was Len Barrie.
Uhm, did Bure do something else or better: exactly what else did make a career for Bure?Tough to pick. Bure obviously had more overall skill when you take everything into account, but "sniping" simply mean putting the puck in the net. Robitaille had an unbelievable knack for that, it's what made a career for him. I'm willing to bet some vote Bure because of his flash, so I hesitate before I jump on that wagon and automatically say Bure. Still though in the end, I would likely give Bure the edge. More big goal seasons even with his injuries. It's tight but I guess Bure if I HAD to pick.
At the end of the day, a player like Bure would of benefited from having a better first pass D-man over a better playmaking center imo.
the answer is bure.
BUT-- the last thing robitaille was was a product of gretzky. as a canucks fan, i saw a lot of luc in his prime and i almost never saw him playing on the same line as gretzky except on the PP.
luc regularly scored 45-55 goals a season before and during gretzky's tenure in LA. so it's not like his stats went up when gretzky came along.
and during his one big spike season, when he got 63 goals and set the LW record, gretzky was injured most of the year and his center was kurri. so you could actually argue that he might have had better stats if gretzky had never come along and luc had to be the go-to guy.
still, bure at his best ran away with the goal scoring crown. luc was a lot of things-- hard working, crafty, had great instincts in the offensive zone and always knew where to be, amazing release. but he wasn't at bure's level.
I think you're right about this.. Bure generated a lot more offense off his own rushes whereas Luc put himself into areas where his center could get him the puck to score.
Uhm, did Bure do something else or better: exactly what else did make a career for Bure?
For me this one is really not even close.
I get confused when people use the word "sniper".
To me, sniper means shooter and is different than goal scorer.
For example, Yzerman was a better goalscorer than Sakic but Sakic was a better sniper.
Same as Hull was a better sniper than Gretzky but Gretzky was a better goal scorer.
With that in mind, Bure was a better goalscorer but Luc was a better sniper.
At the end of the day, a player like Bure would of benefited from having a better first pass D-man over a better playmaking center imo.
You have written that scoring goals made a career for Luc. I just asked what made a career for Bure?They both made careers by being able to put the puck in the net. Not sure what you're questioning
You have written that scoring goals made a career for Luc. I just asked what made a career for Bure?
Maybe just misunderstanding.
They both made careers by being able to put the puck in the net. Not sure what you're questioning
Holmstrom and Tim Kerr made careers being immovable in front of the net. As many goals Kerr scored, I don't think anyone would consider him a sniper at all.
Goals are relative as to how they're scored based on the question of the OP.
You know, you are right about Bure's ability to deke a goalie "out of his shorts," of course. However when I see Robitaille in my mind's eye I see a guy who did much of his work from within 15 feet. This is where semantics not backed up by statistics can be spun any which way and get dangerous
And both Robitaille and Bure were great at sniping. So......
Of course Bure could score more goals by dekeing a goalie out of his shorts.
Robitaille was all sniper. Bure was sniper/dekeing extraordinaire.