Who is the riskiest and most successful GM?
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SB84
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Jim Rutherford comes to mind. Took some big gambles with Pittsburgh and ultimately paid off with the Stanley cup last year.
George McPhee was always a risky gm when he was with the Caps, not sure you could call him very successful in terms of playoff success though.
George McPhee was always a risky gm when he was with the Caps, not sure you could call him very successful in terms of playoff success though.
SpookyTsuki
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In terms of cups. Probably rutherford even though that's incredible lucky wins
In terms of overall success. Idk washington
In terms of overall success. Idk washington
Empoleon8771
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I don't know about Rutherford being good with gambling. Sure, it has worked extremely well with the Penguins (all of Hagelin, Schultz, Daley and Kessel were risky in one or many ways), but he has some glaring issues with his time with the Canes (like signing Semin to that monster contract). Just a comment I was making, I think Pittsburgh Rutherford fits this well. Another one that comes to mind is Yzerman, he's not afraid to make bold and risky moves (like trading St. Louis in the middle of the season).
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Marc Bergevin.
He traded PK for Weber. Huge risk that is paying off great for the habs.
He stuck with MT as his coach after the worst collapse in team history. MT is coaching amazing this year and the team is in 1st place.
Also traded 2 seconds and Eller for Shaw. Took a risk on Radulov who has been this years best UFA signing.
Doesn't have a cup yet to his name but he is closer than many think. So you can rank all cup winners ahead of MB, but so far this season he has taken the biggest risks with the biggest payoff, SO FAR.
He traded PK for Weber. Huge risk that is paying off great for the habs.
He stuck with MT as his coach after the worst collapse in team history. MT is coaching amazing this year and the team is in 1st place.
Also traded 2 seconds and Eller for Shaw. Took a risk on Radulov who has been this years best UFA signing.
Doesn't have a cup yet to his name but he is closer than many think. So you can rank all cup winners ahead of MB, but so far this season he has taken the biggest risks with the biggest payoff, SO FAR.
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JR of the Pens has to be the riskiest now that Holmgren is no longer a GM. That guy sure loved wheeling and dealing for no reason, with JR there is a reason.
Going to give a shout out to the famous 80's Tycoon,
None other than Glen "The Cigar" Sather.
Paul Holmgren is an H.M
None other than Glen "The Cigar" Sather.
Paul Holmgren is an H.M
He got 2 2nd's for Eller and we traded 2 2nd's for Shaw. So he basically traded Eller for Shaw.
tarheelhockey
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I certainly never saw Rutherford as a "risky" or gambling GM. If anything, he was just the opposite. He went back to the same old wells every year, re-treading his former players and making bargain-bin trades for castoffs. You pretty much knew his draft and trade targets by reputation alone, and very little came as a surprise.
Going into Pittsburgh, he had a mandate to make the moves necessary to win a Cup immediately. That's a situation that not only allows, but demands a higher level of aggression. I very much doubt he'd have been doing that kind of wheeling and dealing if the Pens weren't in full double-down mode for a Cup run.
Going into Pittsburgh, he had a mandate to make the moves necessary to win a Cup immediately. That's a situation that not only allows, but demands a higher level of aggression. I very much doubt he'd have been doing that kind of wheeling and dealing if the Pens weren't in full double-down mode for a Cup run.
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Holmgren
You go from commonly known bad trades like JVR for Schenn to things like Zhtinik for Coburn or an '07 1st to Nashville for the rights to Timonen and Hartnell. He had big coups with the Carter and Richards trades, the Briere signing and even the Pronger trade prior to his career ending injury. It was a mixed bag, but on the whole I think he got the better end of most deals and made up for poor trades with better swaps down the road. He really just hamstrung himself with his contracts.
You go from commonly known bad trades like JVR for Schenn to things like Zhtinik for Coburn or an '07 1st to Nashville for the rights to Timonen and Hartnell. He had big coups with the Carter and Richards trades, the Briere signing and even the Pronger trade prior to his career ending injury. It was a mixed bag, but on the whole I think he got the better end of most deals and made up for poor trades with better swaps down the road. He really just hamstrung himself with his contracts.
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Peter Chiarelli.
Has moved the 1st (Hall) and 2nd (Seguin) overall, traded for Kaberle, Peverly, Seidenberg, Iginla(almost!), Jagr, Rolston, traded away Kessel, Boychuk, Wheeler and also has won a Cup and another trip to the finals.
His failures were at the draft table and falling in love with his 2011 team members.
Has moved the 1st (Hall) and 2nd (Seguin) overall, traded for Kaberle, Peverly, Seidenberg, Iginla(almost!), Jagr, Rolston, traded away Kessel, Boychuk, Wheeler and also has won a Cup and another trip to the finals.
His failures were at the draft table and falling in love with his 2011 team members.
Empoleon8771
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Yeah but he could have told him "suck it up until the offseason". Even though St. Louis asked to be traded, it was still really bold to move him during the season.
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How is the Weber trade paying off great for Habs? 30 games in and its not like Habs wasnt a very good team before the trade when Price isnt injured. Its highly unlikely that its a good trade longterm. He has played 30 games for Habs, cant say if that paid off or not until many years from now or if they win a cup.
Eller and Shaw trades arent risks. Same with Radulov, one year deal for a proven pointscorer isnt a risk at all. They signed him to a one year deal to avoid the risk.
Rutherford and Holmgren stand out because they've had big wins and big losses. JR looks like a genius for Hagelin-Perron, Bonino-Sutter, Daley-Scuderi, Kessel-Kapanen.... but he's also the mind behind Sutter-Staal and Lovejoy-Despres.
Additionally, after Weber's hot start, Subbans been outplaying him for 10+ games now.
The trade was about more than points. Team fit was supposedly a major factor and so far Weber appears to be a great fit.
I think Bergevin is the best answer for Riskiest/Successful GM for this past off-season. Weber/Subban was the blockbuster of the summer, and acquiring Radulov -- a player who had been out of the league for years -- has turned a major question-mark into an exclamation. Two bold moves and two huge wins.
In recent history I'd say Chiarelli (getting Larson was the 2nd-biggest move of the summer) and Holmgren. Holmgren would likely be #1 had Pronger not been injured shortly after trading Richards & Carter. Bad luck.
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Bowman.... the moves he's had to make in regards to the salary cap are crazy. Each time he's had to sell off parts of the team to make things work and the Blackhawks remain elite.
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Naw dont you know how it works.
1 game alters space and time and is actually 365 days duration. Weber's decade contract was burned thru in those first ten games and since the trade has 100% run it's full course, the consesus opinion at trade time was that mtl lost the trade, but as the years went by and weber won norris after norris, he clearly won and the consensus reflected that. Ignore games 11 thru until retirement, they don't matter. Weber is amazing, and montreal fleeced Nashville.
Every one knows if subban was still with MTL, MTL would be a basement team. Shea Weber single handedly made that team the best team in the league right now. And I don't mean standings wise. I just mean, they are the best team. And all credit goes to Weber and their brilliant coach. Oh and a little bit for Price, but they would still be riding first without price.
