NBA Who are your top 10 players all time in each position?

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  1. Hawkman To be the man, you gotta beat the man

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    So what. Everyone knows some of those pre-Bird Celtics don't belong. Most Hall of Hall voters and vet committee members are from the Eastern Time Zone especially in the past.
     
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    No he wouldn't. You're revealing your lack of knowledge. Tall people have an even greater advantage one-on-one. His height would still alter their shot at the rim and what player 6+ inches shorter than him is going to stop him from getting to the rim without the threat of help defense?
     
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    I think Billups is one of the most overrated stars of the last 25 years or so

    No better than Sam Cassell in my opinion
     
  4. sparxx87 Don Quixote

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    I wasn’t really comparing it to other positions. It’s important at every position but you’re right, it’s more critical inside... I was just saying I put value in players that can clamp their man and the PG spends a lot of time defending the ball.

    Billups gets love for his clutch shot making and finals MVP but he was a pretty underrated defender. I just checked and he only has two all defensive teams. That seems suspicious.
     
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    Yeah.. so him and Steve Nash are very comparable :laugh:
     
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    Nash is tough to evaluate

    If you gave every player in history a score as a shooter and a passer, Nash's combined score might very well be the highest

    But he also had some obvious defensive issues that can't be ignored
     
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    :laugh: Weren’t you the one ... ahh never mind.

    Why are you attacking Shaq at the rim? Your advantages are everywhere else?

    Only way Shaq beats good two-way wings with jumpers is if you don’t call offensive fouls and allow him to back them down from the top of the arc.
     
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    That’s fair.
     
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    I disagree, and let me know when Harden drags a group of journeyman to the finals and even win one game against a dynasty. AI's peak is better IMO.
     
  10. Hawkman To be the man, you gotta beat the man

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    This is a funny post. Hall of Famer "Big Game" James was named top 50 all time by the NBA, was a top 2-3 scorer on 4 of Magic's titles, and is considered one of the most clutch playoff scorers of all time. He retired at age 33 with 4 rings, not at age 32.
     
  11. Hawkman To be the man, you gotta beat the man

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    This is silly. Russell lead the Celtics to 11 rings in his 13 seasons, is one of the greatest defenders, leaders, rebounders, and shot blockers of all time, and post defense was much tougher due to low post offenses and no 3 point line.
     
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    Well Harden nearly took out an even better dynasty the last two years, and AI had a DPOY in Mutumbo. I know AI had a far greater impact to the game than the Beard but as in terms of who's better, Harden has already had a better career than AI and he was a better all around player as well.
     
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    Payton/Kidd and Dumars/Richmond are 50-50 calls imo.

    Hill has a bit more competition at the SF position than Tmac does at the 2 spot, but even then Tmac had a better peak and career than Hill despite all the ailments

    KG vs Duncan in comparison:

    Rings: 5-1 Duncan
    Finals MVPs: 3-0 Duncan
    League MVPs: 2-1 Duncan
    All-NBA First Team: 10-4 Duncan
    All-NBA Teams: 15-9 Duncan
    All-Defensive First Teams: 9-8 Garnett
    All-Defensive Teams: 15-12 Duncan
    DPOY: 1-0 Garnett (lowkey kinda mind-blown that TD never won DPOY tbh)
    ROY: 1-0 Duncan
    RS PER: 24.22-22.66 Duncan
    PO PER: 24.28-21.12 Duncan
    RS WS: 206.38-191.42 Duncan
    PO WS: 37.84-16.42 Duncan
    RS WS/48: 0.2091-0.1822 Duncan
    PO WS/48: 0.1939-0.1492 Duncan
    RS VORP: 93.97-89.31 Garnett
    PO VORP: 18.59-8.82 Duncan

    Yeah Duncan's clearly had the better career as he's won more individual awards, had a far superior playoff resume and his advanced statistics are through the roof in both the RS and PO. KG was the more entertaining player in his prime but in terms of who's better and had the more successful career, it's the big fundamental
     
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  14. Aladyyn counting stats are the devil

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    Yep, people just shout out those numbers without realizing:
    1) Russell MADE a bunch of these guys HoFers because they got to play on his title teams
    2) Every team had a whole bunch of really good players back then, since the league had so few teams
     
  15. Aladyyn counting stats are the devil

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    The order is pretty loose, I'm kind of firing from the hip on a bunch of these guys

    PG:
    Magic
    Curry
    Robertson
    Paul
    Isiah
    Cousy
    Stockton
    Nash
    Payton
    Kidd

    SG:
    Jordan
    Kobe
    West
    Wade
    Harden
    Sam Jones
    Allen
    Drexler
    Thompson
    Ginobili

    SF:
    LeBron
    Bird
    Durant
    Pippen
    Erving
    Barry
    Havlicek
    Baylor
    Worthy
    Pierce
    (Kawhi needs a couple more seasons to get on here)

    PF:
    Duncan
    Garnett
    Nowitzki
    Barkley
    Malone
    McHale
    Rodman
    Green
    Pau
    Pettit

    C:
    Kareem
    Russell
    Wilt
    Hakeem
    Shaq
    Moses
    Robinson
    Thurmond
    Dikembe
    Ewing
     
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    that group of journeyman produced a top 5 defense that year and included even HOFer. they were better defensively than offensively. iverson's impact was pretty much exclusively on offensive side of the ball where harden is clearly better.

    and harden/houston rockets have won 9 PO games against the warriors since '15 season.
     
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    Firstly, championships are completely irrelevant when it comes to discussing the talent level of individual players

    Secondly, being selected to more All-NBA teams, or more All-Defensive teams, proves only that Duncan had a longer prime, not that he was a better player

    Garnett came into the league out of high school, whereas Duncan, I believe, played all 4 years at Wake Forest, so there was no learning curve with Duncan

    Garnett also suffered knee injuries once he got to Boston, so his prime wasn't as long as Duncan's

    So take Garnett's advance stats during his prime from '98 - '08, and compare them with Duncan's best 11 seasons and see who comes out on top
     
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    When making these lists you have to evaluate what their careers were from start to finish and in this case, Duncan has had the better career. Peak for peak you can make an argument for, but when evaluating where a player ranks all time, you gotta look at their entire careers and not just their peak stretches.

    Again, if we’re going peak vs peak, then KG is right up there, but in terms of their whole careers from start to finish, I’d still put Dirk and Malone ahead of him (let alone TD).
     
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    That's fair

    "Top" is so open to interpretation. Is it the top 10 "best" or top 10 "greatest"? Depending on which it is, you could wind up with 2 very different lists
     
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    If you were drafting a team, would anyone take James Worthy over Paul George, Vince Carter, or Chris Mullin?
     
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    And speaking of Vince Carter, how is it he didn't get at least an honourable mention at either SG or SF?
     
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    VC was pretty overrated. He had some awesome dunks in his peak years, but in terms of career achievements, he massively underachieved.
     
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    Carter is one of six players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists per game in 10 straight seasons. He is also one of six players in league history to record 24,000 points, 6,000 rebounds, 2,500 assists, 1,000 steals and 1,000 3-point field goals

    He's also 23rd all-time in points scored


    Dunks aside, he had a Hall of Fame career
     
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    He hasn't been an all-star since 2007 (when he was only 30), and he's only made 2 All-NBA teams in his whole career (1 second and 1 third). He was also quite inefficient from the field and was sub-par on defense, which was a big reason why VC-led teams never made it far. Also, the highest he ever finished in the MVP race was 10th; additionally, he's only finished in the top 15 MVP race like 2 or 3 times at most....and excluding that iconic dunk contest, the only accolade he's won was the ROY way back in '99. Vince also quit on the Raptors (the team he was supposed to take to the promise land) in the most humiliating way possible for both parties. As exciting of a player that Vince was, he gets overrated a lot by some fans
     
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  25. Aladyyn counting stats are the devil

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    Depends on the circumstances. Are we transporting prime Worthy into 2019 or am I getting rookie Worthy fresh out of the draft?
     

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