Who are your Top 10 Drafted After 1987?

[Say Hey Kid]

Who are your Top 10 Drafted After 1987? I'll take in random order:

LeBron James
Shaquille O’Neal
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Durant
Stephen Curry
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Giannis the Greek
Dwayne Wade

(Bonus question: Are any of these top 75 all time? Chris Bosh, Vince Carter, Tim Hardaway, Grant Hill, Dikembe Mutombo, Mitch Richmond)

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[Boeser Fan]

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Steve Nash
3. Kawhi Leonard
4. Lebron James
5. Kobe Bryant
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Chris Paul
8. Khris Middleton
9. Allan Houston
10. Prime Blake Griffin

 

[zombie kopitar]

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Steve Nash
3. Kawhi Leonard
4. Lebron James
5. Kobe Bryant
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Chris Paul
8. Khris Middleton
9. Allan Houston
10. Prime Blake Griffin

lmao wtaf is this, Khris Middleton is #5 from his draft class (AD, Draymond, Dame, and Beal)

 

[Say Hey Kid]

My son and I are doing a mock draft based on this thread.

1. Dad - LeBron
2. Sean - Tim Duncan
3. Dad - Shaqalicious
4. Sean - Kobe Bryant
5. Dad - Kevin Durant
6. Sean - Steph Curry
7. Dad - Kevin Garnett
8. Sean - Dirk Nowitzki
9. Dad - Giannis the Greek
10. Sean - Dwyane Wade
11. Dad - Chris Paul
12. Sean - Allen Iverson
13. Dad - James Harden
14. Sean - Kawhi Leonard
15. Dad - Jason Kidd
16. Sean - Gary Payton
17. Dad - Steve Nash

 

[Boeser Fan]

lmao wtaf is this, Khris Middleton is #5 from his draft class (AD, Draymond, Dame, and Beal)

Gotta ring though.

 

[Say Hey Kid]

Gotta ring though.

You took Middleton & Houston over Shaq & Duncan even though I posted before you.

 

[Boeser Fan]

You took Middleton & Houston over Shaq & Duncan even though I posted before you.

Of course!

 

[LightningStorm]

From the 1988 draft-present?

1. Lebron James
2. Shaquille O'Neal
3. Steph Curry
4. Kobe Bryant (cutoff for ones who make my top 10 all time)
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Durant
7. Kevin Garnett
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Dwyane Wade
10, Giannis Antetokounmpo (still rising)

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

LeBron
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
Durant
Curry
Garnett
Giannis
Wade
Dirk

 

[Neutrinos]

From the 1988 draft-present?

1. Lebron James
2. Shaquille O'Neal
3. Steph Curry
4. Kobe Bryant (cutoff for ones who make my top 10 all time)
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Durant
7. Kevin Garnett
8. Dirk Nowitzki
9. Dwyane Wade
10, Giannis Antetokounmpo (still rising)

LeBron
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
Durant
Curry
Garnett
Giannis
Wade
Dirk

So, the player who is:

5th all time in WS/48
5th all time in BPM (not including active players under the age 30)
6th all time in VORP
6th all time in OWS
9th all time in Win Shares
9th all time in PER (not including active players under the age of 30)

Isn't among the top 10 players drafted since '87?

 

[LightningStorm]

So, the player who is:

5th all time in WS/48
5th all time in BPM (not including active players under the age 30)
6th all time in VORP
6th all time in OWS
9th all time in Win Shares
9th all time in PER (not including active players under the age of 30)

Isn't among the top 10 players drafted since '87?

If you're talking about David Robinson, I was unsure whether the title included the 1987 draft, which he went #1 in, which is why I said 1988-present. If including him (he didn't make his debut until 1989 due to military service), I'd put him #7, bumping everyone down a spot. Here's how it would look:

1. Lebron James
2. Shaquille O'Neal
3. Steph Curry
4. Kobe Bryant (cutoff for ones who make my top 10 all time)
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Durant
7. David Robinson
8. Kevin Garnett
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Dwyane Wade

 

[Neutrinos]

If you're talking about David Robinson, I was unsure whether the title included the 1987 draft, which he went #1 in, which is why I said 1988-present. If including him (he didn't make his debut until 1989 due to military service), I'd put him #7, bumping everyone down a spot. Here's how it would look:

1. Lebron James
2. Shaquille O'Neal
3. Steph Curry
4. Kobe Bryant (cutoff for ones who make my top 10 all time)
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Durant
7. David Robinson
8. Kevin Garnett
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Dwyane Wade

No, not Robinson

He was drafted in '87, and this thread is asking specifically about players drafted after that

 

[Eco]

This is so hard, because you have to take Lebron 1OA, right?

The only reason is because of Shaq. No, I don't think he is the best player of all time, but damn he was the most dominant for a long time, and was just bigger than anyone.

It's gotta be LBJ and him 1 and 2, with the great 3 point shooter ever, Curry at #3.

 

[LightningStorm]

This is so hard, because you have to take Lebron 1OA, right?

The only reason is because of Shaq. No, I don't think he is the best player of all time, but damn he was the most dominant for a long time, and was just bigger than anyone.

It's gotta be LBJ and him 1 and 2, with the great 3 point shooter ever, Curry at #3.

Peak wise I'd take Shaq over Lebron, but Lebron has too big of an edge in longevity for that to matter. Completely agree with both of them and Curry being an easy top 3 though.

 

[Neutrinos]

Peak wise I'd take Shaq over Lebron, but Lebron has too big of an edge in longevity for that to matter. Completely agree with both of them and Curry being an easy top 3 though.

While I think Shaq gets underrated in all time lists (anybody ranking Russell ahead of Shaq should lose their voting rights indefinitely), his monstrous numbers during his prime fall short of LeBron's, he doesn't have LeBron's longevity, he can't match LeBron's peak or health, and LBJ was a much more versatile defender


Shaq's Playoff Highs:
31.0 PER, .604 TS%, 3.6 OWS, 1.4 DWS, 4.7 WS, .260 WS/48, 8.0 OPBM, 1.6 DPM, 8.4 BPM, 2.6 VORP

LeBron's Playoff Highs:
37.4 PER, .668 TS%, 4.2 OWS, 1.6 DWS, 5.8 WS, .399 WS/48, 12.8 OBPM, 4.8 DBPM, 17.5 BPM, 3.4 VORP


Here we see how many times Shaq lead the playoffs in an advanced stat compared to LeBron:

Shaq
PER 4x, OWS 3x, DWS 2x, WS 4x, WS/48 2x, OBPM 1x, DPM 0x, BPM 0x, VORP 2x
Total = 18

LeBron
PER 5x, OWS 8x, DWS 4x, WS 9x, WS/48 4x, OBPM 5x, DBPM 0x, BPM 5x, VORP 9x
Total = 49

LeBron's Differential Over Shaq
PER +1, OWS +5, DWS +2, WS +5, WS/48 +2, OBPM +4, DBPM +0, BPM +5, VORP +7
Total = 33


So, LeBron beats Shaq in peak as well