dalewood12
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Malkin on the other hand was there and scored 10 points. Compared to any other NHL superstar ever Forsberg scored at least twice as many points, completely lapping the field.But looking at those, I always discounted Forsberg's world juniors gaudy numbers as it's not something you normally see. A player of that caliber isn't usually playing in that tournament. For example, at the same age, Crosby was winning the Art Ross trophy in the NHL, not playing world juniors.
Yes, compared to every other NHL superstar he scored the most, but almost none of them played in that tournament at his age and almost none got to play against Japan. I think Bedard’s performance was more impressiveMalkin on the other hand was there and scored 10 points. Compared to any other NHL superstar ever Forsberg scored at least twice as many points, completely lapping the field.
Besides Malkin (10) of Russians alone for example Kucherov (8), Panarin (5), Kaprizov (12), Ovechkin (11), Yashin (1), Bure (15), Fedorov (12), Mogilny (12), Makarov (15), Larionov (6), Krutov (11), Fetisov (8). Not many names missing.Yes, compared to every other NHL superstar he scored the most, but almost none of them played in that tournament at his age and almost none got to play against Japan. I think Bedard’s performance was more impressive
Austria and Germany are not Japan and Bedard was 2 years younger…just my opinion here of course….i guess I’m biased on this the same way about Calder trophy and certain guys winning like PanarinBesides Malkin (10) of Russians alone for example Kucherov (8), Panarin (5), Kaprizov (12), Ovechkin (11), Yashin (1), Bure (15), Fedorov (12), Mogilny (12), Makarov (15), Larionov (6), Krutov (11), Fetisov (8). Not many names missing.
Complaining about one game against Japan is a bit unusual when Bedard himself scored most of his points in the entire tournament in two group stage games against Austria and Germany.
Japan was in the top division because they qualified for it fair and square, for example Austria barely avoided relegation to the third tier in that same tournament.Austria and Germany are not Japan and Bedard was 2 years younger…just my opinion here of course….i guess I’m biased on this the same way about Calder trophy and certain guys winning like Panarin
I never found any fotage of that Finland game. Anyone knows?
Like I said, just my opinion that his performance isn’t as impressive as it otherwise seems…it’s just not apples to apples, you are comparing an older player who has played 2-3 yrs of pro hockey playing in a junior tournament to someone 2 years younger never having played anything other than junior hockey. Your math is slightly off as well, not that it matters, but Bedard’s stats would be 10 points if you take off Austria and Germany and if you remove just the worst team it’s 17pts vs 21. The question is whether the edge Forsberg had is big enough to offset the difference in age and experience. In my experience the answer is no, but realize it’s super subjectiveJapan was in the top division because they qualified for it fair and square, for example Austria barely avoided relegation to the third tier in that same tournament.
That's how they scored against, games in order of team's final placement in the tournament:
Forsberg
1. Canada 1+3=4
3. Czechoslovakia 0+4=4
4. United States 0+2=2
5. Finland 3+2=5
6. Russia 0+4=4
7. Germany 0+2=2
8. Japan 3+7=10
Bedard
2. Czechia 0+0=0 (final)
2. Czechia 1+0=1
3. United States 1+1=2
4. Sweden 0+4=4
6. Slovakia 2+1=1
8. Germany 3+4=7
10. Austria 2+4=6
If you take out the two by far weakest opponents it would be Forsberg 19 points and Bedard 8 points. Or against medalists Forsberg 8 points in 2 games and Bedard 3 points in 3 games. Not bad numbers for a young kid, but it's still a very large gap.
Japan was in the top division because they qualified for it fair and square, for example Austria barely avoided relegation to the third tier in that same tournament.
That's how they scored against, games in order of team's final placement in the tournament:
Forsberg
1. Canada 1+3=4
3. Czechoslovakia 0+4=4
4. United States 0+2=2
5. Finland 3+2=5
6. Russia 0+4=4
7. Germany 0+2=2
8. Japan 3+7=10
Bedard
2. Czechia 0+0=0 (final)
2. Czechia 1+0=1
3. United States 1+1=2
4. Sweden 0+4=4
6. Slovakia 2+1=1
8. Germany 3+4=7
10. Austria 2+4=6
If you take out the two by far weakest opponents it would be Forsberg 19 points and Bedard 8 points. Or against medalists Forsberg 8 points in 2 games and Bedard 3 points in 3 games. Not bad numbers for a young kid, but it's still a very large gap.