Which of these performances in international hockey was the best?

[dalewood12]

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[BigBadBruins7708]

Hasek AINEC

In order he beat the US 4-1, Canada 2-1 and Russia 1-0 in the knock out rounds.

On a team who's leading scorer was 18th in scoring overall in the tournament

 

[Albatros]

Combined 30+39=69 points in 7 games.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Hasek by the biggest margin possible

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That Hasek performance was the most mesmerizing thing I've seen in hockey

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Hasek, no question.

 

[Toby91ca]

From that list, I voted Hasek. There are probably a lot of others not on the list as well that are much more worthy than the ones there.

But looking at those, I always discounted Forsberg's world juniors gaudy numbers as it's not something you normally see. A player of that caliber isn't usually playing in that tournament. For example, at the same age, Crosby was winning the Art Ross trophy in the NHL, not playing world juniors.

I remember Eberle's tournament being really good, but not as good as Bedard's from earlier this year. I know Eberle had some really clutch scoring, but 8g and 13pts in 6 games is not better than 7g and 23pts in 7 games. Also, similar to Forsberg, Eberle was an older player....the age isn't unusual, it's the caliber of player playing at that age that's unusual. So, fine for Eberle, but not someone like Forsberg. I also discount Forsberg's stats because he got to play against Japan...I think he had like 10pts that game.

 

[Albatros]

But looking at those, I always discounted Forsberg's world juniors gaudy numbers as it's not something you normally see. A player of that caliber isn't usually playing in that tournament. For example, at the same age, Crosby was winning the Art Ross trophy in the NHL, not playing world juniors.

Malkin on the other hand was there and scored 10 points. Compared to any other NHL superstar ever Forsberg scored at least twice as many points, completely lapping the field.

 

[Toby91ca]

Malkin on the other hand was there and scored 10 points. Compared to any other NHL superstar ever Forsberg scored at least twice as many points, completely lapping the field.

Yes, compared to every other NHL superstar he scored the most, but almost none of them played in that tournament at his age and almost none got to play against Japan. I think Bedard’s performance was more impressive

 

[Givememoneyback]

Hasek without a close second.

 

[shakes the clown]

This is Hasak by a country mile and then some. I’m not even considering any of the options that weren’t in the Olympics as a matter of principle.

 

[Albatros]

Yes, compared to every other NHL superstar he scored the most, but almost none of them played in that tournament at his age and almost none got to play against Japan. I think Bedard’s performance was more impressive

Besides Malkin (10) of Russians alone for example Kucherov (8), Panarin (5), Kaprizov (12), Ovechkin (11), Yashin (1), Bure (15), Fedorov (12), Mogilny (12), Makarov (15), Larionov (6), Krutov (11), Fetisov (8). Not many names missing.

Complaining about one game against Japan is a bit unusual when Bedard himself scored most of his points in the entire tournament in two group stage games against Austria and Germany.

 

[Toby91ca]

Besides Malkin (10) of Russians alone for example Kucherov (8), Panarin (5), Kaprizov (12), Ovechkin (11), Yashin (1), Bure (15), Fedorov (12), Mogilny (12), Makarov (15), Larionov (6), Krutov (11), Fetisov (8). Not many names missing.

Complaining about one game against Japan is a bit unusual when Bedard himself scored most of his points in the entire tournament in two group stage games against Austria and Germany.

Austria and Germany are not Japan and Bedard was 2 years younger…just my opinion here of course….i guess I’m biased on this the same way about Calder trophy and certain guys winning like Panarin

 

[Albatros]

Austria and Germany are not Japan and Bedard was 2 years younger…just my opinion here of course….i guess I’m biased on this the same way about Calder trophy and certain guys winning like Panarin

Japan was in the top division because they qualified for it fair and square, for example Austria barely avoided relegation to the third tier in that same tournament.

That's how they scored against, games in order of team's final placement in the tournament:

Forsberg
1. Canada 1+3=4
3. Czechoslovakia 0+4=4
4. United States 0+2=2
5. Finland 3+2=5
6. Russia 0+4=4
7. Germany 0+2=2
8. Japan 3+7=10

Bedard
2. Czechia 0+0=0 (final)
2. Czechia 1+0=1
3. United States 1+1=2
4. Sweden 0+4=4
6. Slovakia 2+1=3
8. Germany 3+4=7
10. Austria 2+4=6

If you take out the two by far weakest opponents it would be Forsberg 19 points and Bedard 10 points. Or against medalists Forsberg 8 points in 2 games and Bedard 3 points in 3 games. Not bad numbers for a young kid, but it's still a very large gap.

 

[Ben White]

I never found any fotage of that Finland game. Anyone knows?

 

[Shark Finn]

I never found any fotage of that Finland game. Anyone knows?

It's a conspiracy related to the (at times not so) brotherly rivalry between Finland and Sweden.

 

[Play]

Homer voting Hasek

 

[Toby91ca]

Japan was in the top division because they qualified for it fair and square, for example Austria barely avoided relegation to the third tier in that same tournament.

That's how they scored against, games in order of team's final placement in the tournament:

Forsberg
1. Canada 1+3=4
3. Czechoslovakia 0+4=4
4. United States 0+2=2
5. Finland 3+2=5
6. Russia 0+4=4
7. Germany 0+2=2
8. Japan 3+7=10

Bedard
2. Czechia 0+0=0 (final)
2. Czechia 1+0=1
3. United States 1+1=2
4. Sweden 0+4=4
6. Slovakia 2+1=1
8. Germany 3+4=7
10. Austria 2+4=6

If you take out the two by far weakest opponents it would be Forsberg 19 points and Bedard 8 points. Or against medalists Forsberg 8 points in 2 games and Bedard 3 points in 3 games. Not bad numbers for a young kid, but it's still a very large gap.

Like I said, just my opinion that his performance isn’t as impressive as it otherwise seems…it’s just not apples to apples, you are comparing an older player who has played 2-3 yrs of pro hockey playing in a junior tournament to someone 2 years younger never having played anything other than junior hockey. Your math is slightly off as well, not that it matters, but Bedard’s stats would be 10 points if you take off Austria and Germany and if you remove just the worst team it’s 17pts vs 21. The question is whether the edge Forsberg had is big enough to offset the difference in age and experience. In my experience the answer is no, but realize it’s super subjective

 

[Voight]

He wouldn't win this poll but Toews at the 2010 olympics deserves a mention.

Best forward, lead Team Canada in points, had points in 6/7 games, absolute shutdown force.

 

[Despote]

Surely you can't compare junior tournament performance to best on best.

The best WJC teams would have their hands full trying to keep up with the worst AHL teams. It's below average pro hockey level.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Japan was in the top division because they qualified for it fair and square, for example Austria barely avoided relegation to the third tier in that same tournament.

That's how they scored against, games in order of team's final placement in the tournament:

Forsberg
1. Canada 1+3=4
3. Czechoslovakia 0+4=4
4. United States 0+2=2
5. Finland 3+2=5
6. Russia 0+4=4
7. Germany 0+2=2
8. Japan 3+7=10

Bedard
2. Czechia 0+0=0 (final)
2. Czechia 1+0=1
3. United States 1+1=2
4. Sweden 0+4=4
6. Slovakia 2+1=1
8. Germany 3+4=7
10. Austria 2+4=6

If you take out the two by far weakest opponents it would be Forsberg 19 points and Bedard 8 points. Or against medalists Forsberg 8 points in 2 games and Bedard 3 points in 3 games. Not bad numbers for a young kid, but it's still a very large gap.

I take nothing away from Forsberg, he was a beast and proved it in the NHL along with international play.

He was also 18-19 when he played in the WJC tourneys.
Bedard was 16-17.

Comparable performances considering the circumstances.

 

[Evergreen]

Hasek

 

[Buck Naked]

Why Lidstrom in 06 over Kenny Jönsson the same year or Karlsson in 14? They were both superior performances.

 

[bobholly39]

Definitely Hasek.

I'd have Crosby #2. I'd have had Carey Price in 2014 quite high up the list too. Deifnitely not ahead of Hasek, but possibly #2, or 3.

Peter Forsberg - N/A. I'm not saying it wasn't a great performance, maybe even worthy of #1, but it's hard for me to compare it to the others.