Which goalies can "defy advanced stats" and make the playoffs?

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

First off, I'm an advocate of using advanced stats as a part of the equation with evaluating the ability of teams and players. Not the only factor, but they can be very telling.

Last year, we saw a Toronto team defying odds and stats, look like a sure bet to make the playoffs. According to the numbers, they were getting consistently outplayed by opponents, and winning. Then Bernier goes down and we all know what happened from there . . .

I consider Bernier to be an elite goaltender, capable of bringing mediocre teams to the playoffs. But I don't necessarily think he's as good on a top team - he's better as an underdog goalie. I think Luongo is the same type of goalie, as was Hasek.

Who are some goalies that thrive in these conditions and are truly capable of throwing their team on their back for an entire season?

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[DearDiary]

Avs last year with Varlamov? Their numbers showed them getting outplayed most games, especially with poor possession numbers.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

"Advanced" stats are numbers - they cannot be defied.

Are you asking about which goaltenders can defy (some) peoples' conclusions and predictions, based upon their misunderstanding of (not particularly) advanced stats?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yeah, I'm not sure I get the stat connection here either. Are you basically asking which goalies are the best player on their teams?

 

[Kamiccolo]

"Advanced" stats are numbers - they cannot be defied.

Are you asking about which goaltenders can defy (some) peoples' conclusions and predictions, based upon their misunderstanding of (not particularly) advanced stats?

So you are saying advanced stats are final? Seeing as you said they can't be defied, why watch the games? Why even play the games after half a season?

All that advanced stats does is predict trends. It can predict who should be at the top, and who should be at the bottom. They aren't perfect.

In fact EDM is middle of the pack as a team in Corsi, yet solidly in last place.

He's asking which goalies will defy the advanced stats saying that a team should trend down, and carry them to the playoffs.

 

[tarheelhockey]

He's asking which goalies will defy the advanced stats saying that a team should trend down, and carry them to the playoffs.

In that case we need to first establish which stats we're talking about. Corsi?

 

[IAmBobo]

James Reimer

 

[Stand Witness]

So you are saying advanced stats are final? Seeing as you said they can't be defied, why watch the games? Why even play the games after half a season?

All that advanced stats does is predict trends. It can predict who should be at the top, and who should be at the bottom. They aren't perfect.

In fact EDM is middle of the pack as a team in Corsi, yet solidly in last place.

He's asking which goalies will defy the advanced stats saying that a team should trend down, and carry them to the playoffs.

No, hes saying that a number is a number and you can't change that. If the numbers say the team is a terrible puck possession team than they are.

I think you misunderstood his post cause you seem to have the right idea after it.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Price last year. Price this year. 2011 as well.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

He's asking which goalies will defy the advanced stats saying that a team should trend down, and carry them to the playoffs.

Wouldn't we need to see those statistics (and the goaltenders that are claimed to be dragged out of the playoffs by them)?

 

[Erick*]

Luongo

 

[Maplebeasts]

Bernier