Where do you think Lundqvist ranks all time for goalies?

[Karl Eriksson]

Top 30

 

[Baxterman]

Lundqvist 11-12 / 1.97GAA, .930SV%
Price 14-15 / 1.96GAA, .933SV%

The statistical difference between their peak is insignificant.

Why was there a difference in the awards?

In 11-12 Malkin scored 50 goals and 109 points in 75 games (one of the best performances post lockout). Stamkos scored 60 goals and 37 assists.
In 15-16 Benn scored 35 goals and 87 points, and Tavares was the runner up with 38 goals and 86 points.

If Price had the same exact season as he had in 11-12, the only award he would have won is the Vezina.

Let's look at career lows:

Price:
08-09: 2.83GAA, .905SV%
12-13: 2.59GAA, .905SV%
17-18: 3.07GAA, .902SV%

Lundqvist:
17-18: 2.95GAA, .915SV%
07-08: 2.23GAA, .912SV%
16-17: 2.74GAA, .910SV%

Playoffs:
Lundqvist 61 wins
Price 25 wins

Lundqvist .922SV%
Price .914SV%

Lundqvist 10 shutouts
Price 5 shutouts

Lundqvist 2.28GAA
Price 2.53GAA

Post Seasons Above .920SV%
Lundqvist 6
Price 3

Post Seasons Above .925SV%
Lundqvist 5
Price 2

How does anyone in their right mind have Price in front of Lundqvist, outside of being a fan from Montreal?

I am not a fan of Montreal, in fact they are one of my least favorite teams.

I have Price over Lundqvist based on how much better he is.

 

[Refuse]

I am not a fan of Montreal, in fact they are one of my least favorite teams.

I have Price over Lundqvist based on how much better he is.

Ah , the HFBoard poster eye-test. That sounds convincing.

 

[Fataldogg]

I am not a fan of Montreal, in fact they are one of my least favorite teams.

I have Price over Lundqvist based on how much better he is.

Based on what statistic? Because statistically I've provided enough evidence that he isn't where Lundqvist is. Eye test doesn't fly for who is better when stats are this lopsided.

 

[psycat]

You're just wearing a different type of goggles than the rest of us, I guess.

Maybe he is making a parody of the "is Crosby GOAT thread"?

OT: Somewhere between 10-20 I guess. Outside top 5 for sure and I would say inside top 20 for sure.

(Just to adress the ridiculous notion. Lundqvist >> Price)

 

[Baxterman]

Based on what statistic? Because statistically I've provided enough evidence that he isn't where Lundqvist is. Eye test doesn't fly for who is better when stats are this lopsided.

Eye test always beats statistics.

Especially statistics that can be largely effected by team.

 

[Refuse]

Eye test always beats statistics.

Especially statistics that can be largely effected by team.

It might, but that depends on whose eye it is. Of course you're entitled to your opinion but don't expect others to agree.

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

I'll preface with the Rangers eat nuts .. but:

This is a tough one. No much hardware but clearly a stud goalie. He's been one of the best for ages now. He's frustrated my team many many times so yeah .. He's legit.

Top 10? Don't think so.

Top 20? Yeah I'd say somewhere around 18-20.

 

[lwvs84]

Long time Ranger fans probably have a good perspective on this, how does he stack up against Richter? I was really young during his prime, but I remember him being really good back then.

 

[Weztex]

No goalie in the NHL before 1989 would even sniff a Vezina during the span of Lundqvist's career.

Pls give me 25 goalies who have been better.

Sigh...

For God's sake, what's so hard to understand? There's no time machine so you don't compare different eras by making them play each others. You judge them on what they achieved with what they had.

You really think that the Lundqvist you know would be the same goalie back in 1979? That all goalies are just born better athletes? You really think that Ken Dryden would play stand up today, and everybody was just too stupid to do butterfly 40 years ago?

There's a lot of goalies that had better careers than Lundqvist, and yes from any era, starting with Vezina himself in 1917. How so? Because he would beat him in some stupid time machine super smash-up scenario? No. Because he was better with what he got that Lundqvist is with what he has.

Want that list?

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

He's top 15, at least

 

[5 Minute Major]

Where do I think he ranks?

Obviously #1.

In most overrated.

 

[CenturionOne]

Top 15

 

[chauron]

One of the best europeans, top-class swede with Pelle Lundmark. Franchise allstar. Top-10 all time, perhaps not. Definitely still prime goalies of this era.

 

[haak84]

In what world? Bobrovsky has won 3 playoff games, and sports an .887SV% in 18 playoff games. There is a reason his team is eliminated in the first round every year. He couldn't steal victory for Russia in Olympic competition either. Bobrovsky is the definition of a regular season performer, can't come up big when it matters. In fact, he crumbles and the statistics support it. Lundqvist has stolen series with worse Ranger teams than Bobrovsky and his Blue Jackets.

The world where Bobrovsky wins another Vezina and goes on a couple playoff runs.

Lundqvist before age 29 postseason:
15-20
2.60 GAA
.909 save%

5 seasons. Two first round series wins. Not exactly world class.

Lundqvist after age 29 postseason:
46-45
2.16 GAA
.927 save%

It's pretty easy to envision a world where Bobrovsky becomes the best goalie of his generation in a few seasons.

 

[tarheelhockey]

You really think that the Lundqvist you know would be the same goalie back in 1979? That all goalies are just born better athletes? You really think that Ken Dryden would play stand up today, and everybody was just too stupid to do butterfly 40 years ago?

Well of course athletes are born better now. In the 29 years since 1979, the human body has developed a bigger and more athletic frame so that people are now capable of things they never were before. This is mainly because of flouride in the water which makes our bones grow bigger than ever, GMOs in our food which have altered our DNA to make super-beings, and chemtrails which provide us with a rich source of nutrition from above as we go about our daily business. Hence, we are physically different than people 1 generation old than us and obviously able to physically do things which were impossible in 1979.

 

[Refuse]

One of the best europeans, top-class swede with Pelle Lundmark. Franchise allstar. Top-10 all time, perhaps not. Definitely still prime goalies of this era.

Pelle "Lundmark" Lindbergh was good but he didn't reach the plateau Lundqvist has. He was average for a couple years, had a few good years, but drunk driving put a stop to it. A tragedy.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Goaltening was an absolute joke pre 1980s, or even pre 1990s with a few exceptions. I dont know how you’d even compare those goalies to today’s goalies.

And yet, you just did.

 

[haveandare]

Eye test always beats statistics.

Especially statistics that can be largely effected by team.

Disagree. Statistics don't care how much you do or don't like a player or their team, they are what they are.

 

[93LEAFS]

I'd say top 10, but then again, even I'm not so sure definitively.

Is Carey Price the #1 goalie of all time? He's not even close to top 10. Hasek, Roy, Sawchuk, Hall, Brodeur, Belfour, Plante, Dryden, Tony Esposito, Bower, Parant and Billy Smith are all ahead. Historically, is he even going to end up ahead of Price, Bobrovsky, Rinne, Luongo and Tim Thomas from guys he competed against?

 

[Fataldogg]

The world where Bobrovsky wins another Vezina and goes on a couple playoff runs.

Lundqvist before age 29 postseason:
15-20
2.60 GAA
.909 save%

5 seasons. Two first round series wins. Not exactly world class.

Lundqvist after age 29 postseason:
46-45
2.16 GAA
.927 save%

It's pretty easy to envision a world where Bobrovsky becomes the best goalie of his generation in a few seasons.

He will have to win more than 3 playoff games. Even in the stats you presented with younger Lundqvist, he was substantially better post season than Bob.

Bob can win 3 Vezinas, and if he can't win a playoff series he will never be considered goalie of his generation.

 

[haveandare]

Is Carey Price the #1 goalie of all time? He's not even close to top 10. Hasek, Roy, Sawchuk, Hall, Brodeur, Belfour, Plante, Dryden, Tony Esposito, Bower, Parant and Billy Smith are all ahead. Historically, is he even going to end up ahead of Price, Bobrovsky, Rinne, Luongo and Tim Thomas from guys he competed against?

Is he even going to be as good as Thomas? Is that serious? Thomas was only even a starter for what, 5 or 6 seasons and was only a top goalie for 2 of them. His peak was really great but extremely short, which isn't all that unusual for goalies in the modern NHL.

 

[93LEAFS]

Is he even going to be as good as Thomas? Is that serious? Thomas was only even a starter for what, 5 or 6 seasons and was only a top goalie for 2 of them. His peak was really great but extremely short, which isn't all that unusual for goalies in the modern NHL.

He has two Vezinas and a Conn Smythe. Despite how short his career was, that's some pretty damn impressive hardware. I'd say no matter how short a peak is, that's pretty damn unusual. I would suspect the list of goalies with at least 2 Vezinas and a Conn Smythe is pretty short.

Edit: Just looking the only people to do it are Roy, Hall, Dryden and Thomas.

 

[psycat]

Well of course athletes are born better now. In the 29 years since 1979, the human body has developed a bigger and more athletic frame so that people are now capable of things they never were before. This is mainly because of flouride in the water which makes our bones grow bigger than ever, GMOs in our food which have altered our DNA to make super-beings, and chemtrails which provide us with a rich source of nutrition from above as we go about our daily business. Hence, we are physically different than people 1 generation old than us and obviously able to physically do things which were impossible in 1979.

I actually just saw someone claim that people 15 years ago didnt know as much about the world due to inferior school system. Made me, pardon my french, lol irl.

Apperently not only athletes that magically turned into super humans, the millenials never cease to amaze.

 

[haveandare]

He has two Vezinas and a Conn Smythe. Despite how short his career was, that's some pretty damn impressive hardware. I'd say no matter how short a peak is, that's pretty damn unusual. I would suspect the list of goalies with at least 2 Vezinas and a Conn Smythe is pretty short.

Edit: Just looking the only people to do it are Roy, Hall, Dryden and Thomas.

Impressive hardware for sure, but I don't think its all that unreasonable to value consistent top tier play over more than a decade over a guy with a half a decade long career and only 2 seasons of great play.