Speculation: Where Are We?

[Shultzyfeelinirie25]

Where are we at in terms of getting close to success? In general I look at the Lions the the past 2 years and the overhaul they had with Holmes at the Gm spot. Sports are different but why are all of our Detroit teams bad and can they all have success at the same time in the future? As this is a hockey forum can wings have a hype year like the Lions are having and Pistons? We need a legit superstar on this team. It's time

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[Hammettf2b]

The team needs players that can score.

 

[Frk It]

Where are we at in terms of getting close to success? In general I look at the Lions the the past 2 years and the overhaul they had with Holmes at the Gm spot. Sports are different but why are all of our Detroit teams bad and can they all have success at the same time in the future? As this is a hockey forum can wings have a hype year like the Lions are having and Pistons? We need a legit superstar on this team. It's time

Pistons are having a hype year? They are in last place. I understand the excitement around what the Lions are doing. Ultimately though the NFL and NHL are so different. Both as far as finding talent in the draft goes, and how much you can improve from free agency.

We have a thread like this every 1-2 months asking for the status of the re-build, and IMO for the most part nothing has changed.

We were in the playoff hunt later in the season than most were expecting. Then we sold off some established players. Now we need time to see how these young players/prospects develop and to see what we do with this surplus of 1st round picks.

Until we see what the continued development of young players look like, what we do with these four 1st round picks over the next 2 years, and what we do in upcoming free/agency trade periods... no one has a clue where we are.

 

[lilidk]

After loosing Bertuzzi, Hronek and SUNY we are little be away from next year playoffs. Yzerman needs to sign lots of players before we see where this team is going.
By the way Perron is getting older, don't know why he wasn't get traded

 

[Hen Kolland]

no one has a clue where we are.

We are exactly one year behind where we will be this time next year.

 

[SirloinUB]

Whether it was a deliberate strategy or not, building from the backend first is a good approach. Given that goalies and Dmen take longer to develop Yzerman got some really important pieces out of the way early.

Having a foundation built around the upside of Seider, Edvinsson, and a combination of Wallinder/Johansson/Tuomisto and to a lesser extent adding Walman into the mix and hopefully Husso/Cossa gives the team a base of competitiveness. If you can keep the puck out of your end, and obviously net, you will always have a chance.

He has also accumulated a decent stable of depth up front. Larkin, Raymond, Berggren, Kasper, Copp, Rasmussen, Fabbri and (hopefully) Mazur gives you some quality pieces that can chip in up front.

The next step is finding elite forwards (ideally a center) that can bring significant production. It's not an easy task but in theory Yzerman has built a team with a floor of the Nashville Predators (the last 15ish years). He has also accumulated an abundance of early draft picks over the next 2 season and a group of players (Perron, Kubalik, Maatta) that should be able to provide additional picks.

Still lots of work to do, and obviously, the players we have need to continue developing into high end pieces but I'm quite happy with the overall progress at this point, especially considering the lack of draft lottery luck.

 

[Frk It]

Whether it was a deliberate strategy or not, building from the backend first is a good approach. Given that goalies and Dmen take longer to develop Yzerman got some really important pieces out of the way early.

Having a foundation built around the upside of Seider, Edvinsson, and a combination of Wallinder/Johansson/Tuomisto and to a lesser extent adding Walman into the mix and hopefully Husso/Cossa gives the team a base of competitiveness. If you can keep the puck out of your end, and obviously net, you will always have a chance.

He has also accumulated a decent stable of depth up front. Larkin, Raymond, Berggren, Kasper, Copp, (hopefully) Rasmussen, Mazur, and Fabbri gives you some quality pieces that can chip in up front.

The next step is finding elite forwards (ideally a center) that can bring significant production. It's not an easy task but in theory Yzerman has built a team with a floor of the Nashville Predators. He has also accumulated an abundance of early draft picks over the next 2 season and a group of players (Perron, Kubalik, Maatta) that should be able to provide additional picks.

Still lots of work to do, and obviously, the players we do have need to continue developing into high end pieces but I'm quite happy with the overall progress at this point, especially considering the lack of draft lottery luck.

Better way of framing it than I had the patience to provide

 

[GreatGordie9]

We are exactly one year behind where we will be this time next year.

At the 73 game mark last year we were 28-35-10 for 66 points. The remaining nine games tells me we will still be under 500 as a team but finish with 79-80 points. compared to 74 last year. We have a long ways to go and expect we will need to be physically tougher to play against. We Edvinsson and possibly Johanssen to be full time Wings D. We may have to look at a back up goalie who can handle at least 30 games. Yes, another center maybe someone like Ryan O'Reilly through free agency. Walman, Seider, Maata are fine on D however we cannot keep Haag, Lindstrom and Osterle. Chariot I feel will be better next year. We could look through trade another top four D. Goal Scorers again it may not happen through free agency but maybe a trade.

 

[Killerjas]

I am in Holland, whatsup locals?

 

[GMR]

I am in Holland, whatsup locals?

Will the Netherlands win a World Cup before Detroit wins another Stanley Cup?

 

[Killerjas]

Will the Netherlands win a World Cup before Detroit wins another Stanley Cup?

No, we are quite shit now. We are rebuilding but we don't have a lot of high end talent.

 

[Bench]

By the way Perron is getting older, don't know why he wasn't get traded

When he was signed, he made it clear his goal wasn't to bounce around as a mercenary, but he wanted to join a team that he could stay with more long-term.

It may not work out like that, things change, but he talked about how he's willing to take on a reduced role on the ice as he ages and is excited to be apart of the rebuilding process.

Outside of hockey, I don't think he has any interest in moving his family a bunch.

Which is why I thought it was misguided when people expected him to be a trade chip. I'd guess he's here as that vet mentorship for as long as he's able to contribute.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

When he was signed, he made it clear his goal wasn't to bounce around as a mercenary, but he wanted to join a team that he could stay with more long-term.

It may not work out like that, things change, but he talked about how he's willing to take on a reduced role on the ice as he ages and is excited to be apart of the rebuilding process.

Outside of hockey, I don't think he has any interest in moving his family a bunch.

Which is why I thought it was misguided when people expected him to be a trade chip. I'd guess he's here as that vet mentorship for as long as he's able to contribute.

Agreed. And he had a 10 team NTC, so he could've effectively tanked almost any potential deal if it came to that.

He's long in the tooth but I do think his presence has helped stabilize this team after all the tailspins the back half of last season.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Wherever you go, there you are.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Where are we at in terms of getting close to success? In general I look at the Lions the the past 2 years and the overhaul they had with Holmes at the Gm spot. Sports are different but why are all of our Detroit teams bad and can they all have success at the same time in the future? As this is a hockey forum can wings have a hype year like the Lions are having and Pistons? We need a legit superstar on this team. It's time

It's largely about drafting and development. The NFL is a bit different, but the same general rules apply. You need to hit on your draft picks and get lucky with a few who end up being elite. The Red Wings are probably 2-3 years away from starting to become a threat to go a long way in the playoffs.

 

[Henkka]

I did broke the roster in three groups. Signed current core with some near future in the team (28-year old, or younger). All signed prospects as one group. Then older players (+28y) + UFAs, who are not in long-term plans.

NHL young core (28 or younger)
- C Larkin
- D Seider
- G Husso
- W Raymond
- C Copp
- F Rasmussen
- D Walman
- W Fabbri
- D Määttä
- W Berggren
- W Kubalik
- W Zadina
- F Veleno
- D Lindström

Current signed prospects:
- D Edvinsson
- C Kasper
- D Wallinder
- W Söderblom
- G Cossa
- D Johansson
- W Mazur
- C Lombardi
- W Hanas
- D Sebrango
- D Tuomisto
- D McIsaac
- D Viro
- F Doucet

Old dogs or pending UFAs:
- W Perron, 1 year left
- D Chiarot, 3 years left
- F Suter, UFA (only UFA I could re-sign with Hellberg, short-term)
- D Oesterle, UFA
- G Hellberg, UFA
- W Erne, UFA
- G Nedeljkovic, UFA
- F Czarnik, 1 year left
- W Chiasson, UFA
- D Pysyk, UFA
- D Hägg, UFA

Suter was one of our best guys on the PK, don't know who could replace his role next season, and having extra center is also valuable. Guy is still young, 26 like Larkin, I could extend him, if there's no better options at free market or trade market.

 

[Snuggs]

Red Wings need to collect about a half dozen of these wingers/prospects and move them for something/someone worth while.

Idk who will get traded this offseason, if anyone, Barkov is the guy I'm keeping an eye on. Red Wings have picks/players/prospects/money to get a move done for a Barkov type talent, or any top talent that somehow come available. Maybe... Mark Scheifele also, idk...

Winning the draft changes so much, but assuming we don't. I'm just holding out hope for a home run trade, was holding out hope all last offseason and this year too, and well... still waiting, hoping!

There aren't/isn't a free agent out there right now that imo, changes things drastically. There are guys that'll help, but, No matter who is sign, basically, imo, Red Wings will still struggle for a playoff berth without another major talent added some other way... And again, that guy, imo, isn't available in FA.

Wings are the same team basically again as last year(same problems), with more Wingers, better starting goalie, slightly better defense. It turned out to be just a small step forward for a lot of money.

 

[RRhoads]

We need to get much stronger down the middle and on right D.

We will need to move assets to fill those holes.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Get Leonard and Reinbacher

Fabbri Zadina Veleno all don’t fit in the team medium/long term

is this team good enough to compete?

Leonard Larkin Raymond
X Kasper Berggren
Rasmussen Copp Soderblom
X X X

Walman Seider
Edvinsson Reinbacher
Wallinder X

Cossa/Husso


Xs to fill in are Mazur/Veleno/Zadina/Fabbri/Hanas/Kubalik/UFA

 

[ZDH]

We are in Rocklandwonderland.

 

[odin1981]

We have about half way assembled with our future core. Larkin vet leadership and hopefully 1b role, with a drafted 1A still to come. Kasper on a cheap ELC or RFA making our C depth roll 3 great lines. Seider is our #1 all situations D man that is only 21. Ed looks to be a easy top 4. Over the next 2-3 years will be hoping to pull another top 4 d and hopefully this year's #1 gives us a top 6 c. We will hopefully see the depth round out and fill the roster up.

 

[Detroit Knights]

....

Suter was one of our best guys on the PK, don't know who could replace his role next season, and having extra center is also valuable. Guy is still young, 26 like Larkin, I could extend him, if there's no better options at free market or trade market.

I have always liked suter because he doesn't play in a way that isn't him. He is a PK specialist that has better hands than our previous PK specialists for breakaways (helm/glendening). He doesn't seem like he is trying to get top6 minutes, he isn't trying to play hero ball and be the best on the ice. He does his job efficiently and effectively to the best of his ability and no one expect more from him.

This is all eye test BTW so don't analytics my ass.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

When he was signed, he made it clear his goal wasn't to bounce around as a mercenary, but he wanted to join a team that he could stay with more long-term.

It may not work out like that, things change, but he talked about how he's willing to take on a reduced role on the ice as he ages and is excited to be apart of the rebuilding process.

Outside of hockey, I don't think he has any interest in moving his family a bunch.

Which is why I thought it was misguided when people expected him to be a trade chip. I'd guess he's here as that vet mentorship for as long as he's able to contribute.

That also makes me wonder if he’s interested in management or a coaching role later on.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Get Leonard and Reinbacher

Fabbri Zadina Veleno all don’t fit in the team medium/long term

is this team good enough to compete?

Leonard Larkin Raymond
X Kasper Berggren
Rasmussen Copp Soderblom
X X X

Walman Seider
Edvinsson Reinbacher
Wallinder X

Cossa/Husso


Xs to fill in are Mazur/Veleno/Zadina/Fabbri/Hanas/Kubalik/UFA

Wallinder AlJo

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Red Wings need to collect about a half dozen of these wingers/prospects and move them for something/someone worth while.

Idk who will get traded this offseason, if anyone, Barkov is the guy I'm keeping an eye on. Red Wings have picks/players/prospects/money to get a move done for a Barkov type talent, or any top talent that somehow come available. Maybe... Mark Scheifele also, idk...

Winning the draft changes so much, but assuming we don't. I'm just holding out hope for a home run trade, was holding out hope all last offseason and this year too, and well... still waiting, hoping!

There aren't/isn't a free agent out there right now that imo, changes things drastically. There are guys that'll help, but, No matter who is sign, basically, imo, Red Wings will still struggle for a playoff berth without another major talent added some other way... And again, that guy, imo, isn't available in FA.

Wings are the same team basically again as last year(same problems), with more Wingers, better starting goalie, slightly better defense. It turned out to be just a small step forward for a lot of money.

Detroit has more cap space this year than last. It’s not more money spent. It was just money spent. And if they DIDNT make those moves and had a basement cap hit they can’t trade Bert, Vrana or Hronek.

It’s a bummer this team couldn’t keep it going after game 50 or so. With Husso’s drop off I think we may have watched him play hurt for a while. Subpar backup goaltending really did this team in and cost them at least 5 games outright.

Injuries/PAP cost Detroit a ton of games from Bert, Vrana and Fabbri. Each of which were expected to put up 20+ goals.

Chiarot stunk way worse than anticipated. Then Hagg and Lindstrom probably cost this team another 4-5 games just on defensive mistakes alone.

If Vrana, Fabbri and Bert were healthy for 75% of the year, and this team got average or better backup goalkeeping they’re either in the wildcard or near it.

All we can do is look at what went wrong this year and make adjustments yo get better. 2 UFA wingers, 1 UFA RD. A legit backup goalie. This team might be wildcard next year before considering Raymond and Seider getting better while adding Edvinsson and Kasper.