When will the Oilers become serious about winning?

Trafalgar Sadge Law

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Don't forget the money tied up in RNH, If I were the Oilers I wouldn't even over him a contract let him become a UFA.
RNH has had his problems this year but he's still not as worthless as these character/gritty veterans we got. RNH at 5 million is still worth his production value. Guys like Kassian/Russell etc need to be shot into the sun.
 

McDrai

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I tried, it doesn't work, it never ends...heh

True. The venting only helps temporarily. Also, come to think of it I shouldn't have started venting until the season is over as we still have one more game to play tomorrow :help:
 

KlefDown

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They won't because 65% of the Oilers fans as a whole will forget this come July and next season.

It's Stockholm Syndrome. As long as the fans keep spending money on the team, they'll never truly care as long as Katz is owner.

To some people, the Oilers can't do wrong in the offseason and defend every move to the core.
Worst kind of fans imo

the blind support this team receives hurts sometimes
 

RandomGuy79

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They won't because 65% of the Oilers fans as a whole will forget this come July and next season.

It's Stockholm Syndrome. As long as the fans keep spending money on the team, they'll never truly care as long as Katz is owner.

To some people, the Oilers can't do wrong in the offseason and defend every move to the core.

If the fans started boycotting the team Katz will just threaten to move the team again.
 

Trafalgar Sadge Law

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Asset management was terrible in the past but it doesn’t mean it has to be in the future. If we cripple ourselves out of fear then no significant moves will be made ever.

agreed about everything else
I'm fine with moving out assets for impact players, but the reality is they're rarely available and this team seems allergic to actually good players with some minor character flaws that don't affect their ability to contribute on the ice like most of the Avs acquisitions. This is the kind of team that will waste 1st round picks trading for filth like Barclay Goodrow that can get carried to Stanley Cups as a passenger, but are nice guys in the locker room!
 
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Weitz

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This place will be crawling with “this year will be different” fans in like 3 weeks.

this team was bad coming out of the summer and got lucky. It’s showing now.
 
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Paralyzer008

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This place will be crawling with “this year will be different” fans in like 3 weeks.

this team was bad coming out of the summer and got lucky. It’s showing now.

Unfortunately yes.

The moment they announce the Adam Larsson extension that's basically in the cooker, people will already start moving on with optimism and the cycle will start again.

I'd need to see a big change in organizational process and thinking to get there again.
 

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They won't because 65% of the Oilers fans as a whole will forget this come July and next season.

It's Stockholm Syndrome. As long as the fans keep spending money on the team, they'll never truly care as long as Katz is owner.

To some people, the Oilers can't do wrong in the offseason and defend every move to the core.

The fan base is severely dwindling after the Chiarelli debacle, and Covid hasn’t made it any better. Katz will be shitting himself when he sees even more empty season ticket seats after this failure of a series
 
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KlefDown

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I'm fine with moving out assets for impact players, but the reality is they're rarely available and this team seems allergic to actually good players with some minor character flaws that don't affect their ability to contribute on the ice like most of the Avs acquisitions. This is the kind of team that will waste 1st round picks trading for filth like Barclay Goodrow that can get carried to Stanley Cups as a passenger, but are nice guys in the locker room!
There are so many teams out there we can prey on, basement teams practically begging for picks and prospects for their veteran players who need a fresh start. saying there is nothing out there is the laziest excuse management can use
 
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Trafalgar Sadge Law

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There are so many teams out there we can prey on, basement teams practically begging for picks and prospects for their veteran players who need a fresh start. saying there is nothing out there is the laziest excuse management can use
Naw f*** giving veteran players who need fresh starts, experience doesn't mean shit when it's bad experience and the players offer nothing of tangible value on the ice. Prospects/picks should only be used in trades for players entering their prime, trade for Pavel Buchneviches, not for Cody Eakinses.
 

Trafalgar Sadge Law

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Unfortunately yes.

The moment they announce the Adam Larsson extension that's basically in the cooker, people will already start moving on with optimism and the cycle will start again.

I'd need to see a big change in organizational process and thinking to get there again.
Adam Larsson is the first player that needs to be shot into the sun. He is one of the NHL leaders in blocked shots and has abysmal chances for differential... translation: he's a boosted monkey who gets hemmed in all the time and harms to team just by being on the ice.
 
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When they Stop paying 12 million a year to Hopkins and Neal. That would be a good starter.
 

oobga

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Apparently everything has to be perfect to be serious.

I worry now that goaltending will be what makes next deadline another "we're not ready yet" moment.
 
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tardigrade81

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Admittedly this is just a rant thread so feel free to lock or ignore it. I just wanted to get this off my chest.

I've been a fan since 2006. Man that was a year. I joined the Oilers fanbase late in that season just in time for the playoffs and what a ride that was! After that year, I mistakenly thought that every year was going to be a ride just the same. We all know what happened in 2007 and beyond... Year after year of constant disappointment. We struck gold with high draft picks but that never translated into success because the organization just assumed that high draft picks = contenders. There were a few years where we approached the playoffs but fell short, other years we just bottomed out and never really recovered. And then there were the years where they were toast by Halloween.

In 2015 we were blessed with a gift from the Heavens in the form of Connor McDavid. We thought, "this time for sure we're going to be good and we're going to turn it around and maybe, just maybe, the Oilers will take the business of hockey seriously and transform this team into the contender we've wanted it to be for so, so long".

And the early returns were promising. McDavid was everything we hoped for, and the team was playoff bound for the first time in a decade. Hell, we even won a series and were one game away from the Western Conference Final. Things had finally turned around, the Oilers were contenders... And well, the offseason from Hell pushed this team back years until Chiarelli was fired. Awful signings, trades, and questionable decisions put this team back in a hole for the next couple years. For a team that was supposed to be a contender this was a major setback.

In comes Holland and Tippett, another new GM with veteran experience and a coach with the same. And once again the early returns are promising. The team has a strong regular season that's interrupted. And when it returns... The Oilers are unceremoniously bounced by the Hawks, a team they should've beaten with all due respect to Chicago. But okay, shit happens. It was a short series. We'll get them next year, in a division with the other Canadian teams. I think most of us expected to be at worst the third best Canadian team. After a tepid start, the team roars to the second best record in the division and lines up a series with the Winnipeg Jets, a team that, again with all due respect, the Oilers should beat.

And well, here we are. Three in the hole with virtually no hope after losing two heartbreaking games. I will happily eat my words if this team pulls off a miracle rally but I just don't see it. If they aren't bounced tomorrow I'll be mildly impressed.

I recognize that being a hockey exec is difficult. There are so many factors to consider. Cap, movement clauses, players in the minors.. all that. But, at the same time, ever since Chiarelli was fired and Holland was brought on board, I've started to wonder how much effort this organization has really put into its hires. Holland has a winning pedigree and he is responsible for Detroit becoming the team they were... But he's also just as responsible for Detroit becoming the team they are. Just as Boston fans warned us about Chiarelli, Detroit fans warned us about Holland...

Now this isn't throwing this mess completely at his feet. The cap was f***ed royally due to the previous dipshit and the Oilers brass not recognizing the damage he was doing until it was too late. I'm willing to give him one more offseason and if this team falls flat again then he can hit the bricks. As for his choice in coach... Well, I've filled up another thread on that already.

I've voiced my displeasure on the hires of this org numerous times, and whether fair or not, I feel like they keep dipping into the Hockey Canada well because it's the easy route. It's just a different OBC in my eyes. Holland could have the offseason of a lifetime and make me look like a complete tool, and I sure hope he does, but even his limited body of work hasn't been all that impressive. His biggest hits were players we already had or were simple prayers. But there is still too much bloat on this roster. This offseason he needs to completely overhaul about half of the roster. I don't think ANY UFA should be re-signed at this point. Larsson, RNH, et al. They should be cut loose. Mike Smith would make an ideal backup but unless Koskinen vanishes that's not happening.

As for the front office, Holland gets one more year to at least push this franchise forward. That being said, anyone part of the org that was hired before him should be handed a pink slip. The pro scouts have simply done an awful job. The minor scouts have fared slightly better but I'm not sure how much better they've really been. Tippett of course can f*** off and be replaced with another dinosaur Hockey Canada hasbeen.

And as for me... Man, I just don't know if I care anymore. I was pissed after they lost game 2 because that felt like the series to me. After tonight's loss... I just shrugged my shoulders and accepted my fate. Because that's what the Oilers do. No matter how they lose, they just accept it and move on. There's no real anger or frustration. There's minimal accountability. Coaches are hired, fired, replaced with dead weight, and the cycle goes on. Same with management. They don't really care about winning. They always try to find the easy way out. How Bobby Nicholson and Kevin Lowe still have jobs with this org is something I'll never understand. Nobody takes winning seriously on the Oilers. Not the players, not the coaching, not the management.

I'll watch and see how the offseason plays out, but without major overhauls, this team is just going to be playoff fodder again. And that's exactly worst spot to be in as a sports fan: Not bad enough to earn a high draft pick (which we were for several years), but not good enough to make any noise. Just mediocrity. A living joke. Second to Buffalo in being a laughingstock.

Losing has eaten away at my soul for so long. Hours, days, months, years wasted following a team that would rather smell its own farts than get serious about winning. Season after season of bad signings, awful trades, players falling flat (and succeeding elsewhere), and endless disappointment in critical moments.

I don't know it's worth paying attention to this team anymore. The best f***ing player on the planet and they still f*** it up.
I’m convinced not in my life time.

At some point McDavid and Drai will realize they want a cup and leave and we will rebuild and be back to a bottom feeder. Going to get worse before it gets better.
 

Chabot84

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We will win tonight.
Too little too late I’m afraid but I think we pull a win here.
 

jesusbuiltmyhotrod

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I also just wanted to point out that this team still has heart issues. Their f***ing teammate died last year and they responded like complete wastes.
Here you are again, making up shit , you have zero idea about this at all..stop trying to decipher how players "feel" it's idiotic.
 

CupofOil

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They can't be serious about winning til they get rid of these shit contracts and get quality players.

Look at Tampa and Colorado. This is the level of a true contender. No 5.75 million tied up in junk like James Neal. No 4.5 million to a sieve like Koskinen.

Ever single dollar of cap space is utilized.

Therein lies the problem in regards to addressing depth. I'd also add Russell's $4M all these years even though he's a decent player. That's $15M tied up in players who bring minimal contributions to the table, that's a large chunk of what is essentially dead cap thanks to the previous regime on top of the actual dead cap in Pouliot and Gryba (lol Chia on that one).

This isn't to give Holland a free pass because his acquisitions outside of the short term deals in Barrie and Smith haven't moved the dial at all (although I guess we can add Puljujarvi to the list) but he really was handcuffed and Covid made that even more difficult. I have always targeted this offseason as Holland's opportunity to really get this thing moving in the right direction as cap space opens up and Neal/Koskinen enter realistic buyout territory. I'm not 100% confident that he'll bring in the right pieces but this is his first real opportunity to make his mark, make this HIS team. The excuses are officially over. If he can't improve the team in a meaningful way this offseason and turn this into a LEGIT contender next season then they need to find somebody else who can.

With that said, and as frustrating as last night and this series as a whole has been and having some time to clear my head, they've been within a whisker of being up 2-1 in the series so I wouldn't say that the team SUCKS like a lot of folks said in the heat of the moment. It won't make anybody sleep better at night and it's about winning in this business but I don't think the situation is as dire as some are making it out to be, I still think the team is headed in the right direction and the best is yet to come. I know, it's a stupid thing to say after last night's debacle but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;)
 

redgrant

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I'm not sure why people are upset when the GM himself didn't think this team was worth spending assets on to improve it at the deadline.

I agree. He actually was right this year. Last year he gave them a chance with AA and they were badly exposed. If anything we need those picks right now.....to package with our junk.
 

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