When our Whole Fourth Line Returns...
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Which 4th line? I'd want Moen - Eller - Prust ideally, not Weise. I'm pretty sure Bourque is going to be back to his old self soon enough so I'd be satisfied with Bournival - Brière - Gionta with Bourque filling in for Bournival if he happens to light up in he playoffs. (He did before)
Brière is killer in the playoffs you need him. Weise, White & Parros are just support personnel imho.
Brière is killer in the playoffs you need him. Weise, White & Parros are just support personnel imho.
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Markov4Captain
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I think Weise has been one of our better fourth line forwards this season. He understands his role and his speed is really an advantage. Ideally, I think our fourth line should be Moen-Prust-Weise. Fourth line players need to understand their role-solid defence, tight checking, energy and the occasional goal. I don't know if Eller can accept a lesser role and fulfill it to its full capacity. Having said that, I would be surprised to see Moen and Prust back this season.
Kimota
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You do that however and you lose Eller's faceoff ability because he's not being moved on the third line any time soon. A lesser role would be in the press box with the way this line up has been playing. Weise is a good player and has been great on his fourth line, but the bottom line is he's just a role player.
In any case I don't think Prust is coming back so... It'll be Moen - Eller - Weise
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Leon Lucius Black
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Haven't really been a fan of the Gally's with Plekanec so I wouldn't mind that line broken up, if we're playing Tampa I'd like to have a shutdown line that can play versus Stamkos whenever possible.. if Moen is healthy him with Pleky/Gio would be ideal.
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Vanek
Moen - Plekanec - Gionta
Galchenyuk - Briere - Gallagher
Bournival - Eller - Prust
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Vanek
Moen - Plekanec - Gionta
Galchenyuk - Briere - Gallagher
Bournival - Eller - Prust
If we are strictly talking about the 4th line, Weise and White are more effective than Eller.
Eller and Bournival need to fight for 3rd line duties. And Weise and White have scored more goals than Eller since February and play the 4th line role better.
We DO NOT need to go back to the Martin way of just throwing spare parts on the 4th line since we have seen what an effective traditional 4th line can do for this team.
Markov4Captain
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If everyone gets healthy there are going to be some very good players that are going to be left in the press box. I'm not convinced that Bourque has 'woken' up and both Gallys with Plekanec is a good offensive line, but we need a shutdown line in the playoffs. As much as Gionta harms Plek's offensive instincts, they are money on the defensive side of the game. Eller could potentially find himself on the third line if Bourque or Briere falter.
Arctic_Hab_Fan
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if we get players back, why break Moen/Prust - White - Weise? They were just starting to click with one another, was a good line, especially with Prust in there.
Sorry, no Eller for me...no hockey sense.
Sorry, no Eller for me...no hockey sense.
Pac-DD-Vanek
Gal-Plek-Gal
Bourque-Eller-Gionta
Prust-Moen-Wiese
White-Briere
Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Murray-Weaver
Tinordi-Boullion
Gal-Plek-Gal
Bourque-Eller-Gionta
Prust-Moen-Wiese
White-Briere
Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Murray-Weaver
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Picaroon
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Agreed. And if Bourque goes in to suck mode again bump Prust on to that line and sub in Weise. If Prust is still hurt maybe try Eller on the wing there and sub in White for fourth line C.
These are the scenarios I see.
Ideal:
Bourque-------Briere-----Gio
Prust-----------Eller-------Moen
Bourque sucks:
Prust---------Briere-------Gio
Moen---------Eller---------Weise
Prust hurt:
Bourque---------Briere-------Gio
Moen------------Eller---------Weise
Bourque sucks and Prust hurt:
Eller----------Briere----------Gio
Moen---------White----------Weise
Bergie really did a good job giving us some depth. Gotta give him some cred there. Same with our D. Lots of options.
edit: Forgot Bournival! Damn. Loads of options really. When healthy we have 2 full NHL caliber 4th lines. That will go a loooong way this time of year.
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1st Line
Paccioretty - Desharnais - Vanek
2nd Line
Galchenyuk - Plekanec - Gallagher
3rd Line
Eller - Briere - Gionta
4th Line
Prust - Bournival - Weise
Moen
Bourque
White
Parros
Paccioretty - Desharnais - Vanek
2nd Line
Galchenyuk - Plekanec - Gallagher
3rd Line
Eller - Briere - Gionta
4th Line
Prust - Bournival - Weise
Moen
Bourque
White
Parros
FlyingKostitsyn
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Its not really fair to put Bourque in the lineup and take Briere out. Briere has actually been similar to Galchenyuk or Eller in effectiveness this year with worse ice time, Bourque is pure uselessness.
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Hope Of Glory
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Eller and Bournival have been our best 4th line duo since, well, they're not 4th liners. Put Prust with them and that's a really solid 4th line that can hit and score - and defend, of course. They'll be facing weak opposition, our opponent will not have a really hard time trying to stop 4 lines at once. Even if I liked Moen-Prust-Weise, they're not an offensive threat like Eller's line.
Having 4 lines that can score would be huge for us. I don't think we've ever seen this before.
Having 4 lines that can score would be huge for us. I don't think we've ever seen this before.
Andrei79
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I'm hoping for
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Vanek
Galchenyuk - Plekanec - Gallagher
Bourque - Brière - Gionta
Moen - Prust - Weise
Gorges - Subban
Markov - Emelin
Murray/Bouillon/Tinordi - Weaver
Eller can take Weise/Bourque's spot or if an injury happens, or if size down the middle becomes a problem.
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Vanek
Galchenyuk - Plekanec - Gallagher
Bourque - Brière - Gionta
Moen - Prust - Weise
Gorges - Subban
Markov - Emelin
Murray/Bouillon/Tinordi - Weaver
Eller can take Weise/Bourque's spot or if an injury happens, or if size down the middle becomes a problem.
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These are perfect F/D combinations in my opinion. Both Eller and Bournival can fill in when injuries occur. They have no spots on the team when fully healthy as I see it.
DAChampion
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Love what Bournival did earlier in the season. But he has hit a very cold and dry spell.
Bournival was right there when Weise was taken out by the Bruins punk. Bournival skated on by like nothing happened and then Moen stood up for Weise.
That's fine for Bournival to do that since he had the concussion. However, we do not need that or him on the 4th line.
Kimota
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Yea Briere seems like the easy guy to take out but he has more hockey sense that most of these guys and has been producing lately. I would have trouble looking at him in the eyes and say to him "yea you're out but you know that Weise guy is in".
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To me it's all about the right fit and I believe that Eller/Bournival do not fit on the 4th line and Briere will bring more to the table on the third for the playoffs. If the latter falters there's always the option of inserting Eller back into the lineup, but, as I said above, I would not play him on the fourth line.
A successful hockey team has to have role players.
On pure talent, Briere is better than Weise. But there is no way that Briere can bring what Weise has to offer.
We have a top 9 full of Briere type players. The 4th needs to have an identity and play that role.
Vi Nc E x13x
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For me I like white in the lineup he has been fantastic on PK and has been a takeaway machine last couple of games
