What happened to Giroux?

[GKJ]

He's about to turn 29 in 2 days.

Prime time is over.

January is also historically his worst month. He'll still hit 60 points.

But he's closer to the downside than the upside.

 

[JXC]

The Flyers would do well to make a move with Giroux this year or offseason.

He is a very valuable player and could put teams over the top, he's just not an alpha dog, isn't particularly good defensively, is prone to long power outages, and doesn't seem to inspire his teammates. The Flyers need those things in a captain.

They would need to get quite a haul in return.

 

[flyershockey]

Giroux is back to being a robin... nice.

 

[TCTC]

The Flyers would do well to make a move with Giroux this year or offseason.

He is a very valuable player and could put teams over the top, he's just not an alpha dog, isn't particularly good defensively, is prone to long power outages, and doesn't seem to inspire his teammates. The Flyers need those things in a captain.

They would need to get quite a haul in return.

A great return would've been likely in the pre cap era. Nowadays there just aren't many teams that could afford his contract without completely crippling their salary cap situation.

 

[JXC]

A great return would've been likely in the pre cap era. Nowadays there just aren't many teams that could afford his contract without completely crippling their salary cap situation.

I had forgotten about that. How many years are left on it?

 

[trostol]

I had forgotten about that. How many years are left on it?

5 more after this year...and while i would hate to see him go..do not think Hexy has the stones to trade G

 

[Curufinwe]

Or the desire.

 

[JXC]

5 more after this year...and while i would hate to see him go..do not think Hexy has the stones to trade G

There sure are a lot of fans who idolize him...

That five years is a tough nut, clearly more than a "rental". Probably would need to be part of a big swap.

It would be earthshaking for sure.

 

[Striiker]

5 more after this year...and while i would hate to see him go..do not think Hexy has the stones to trade G

Hextall isn't stupid enough to trade Giroux. Simple as that.

It has nothing to do with "stones", it's about common sense and not being a shortsighted fool.

 

[JXC]

Or the desire.

Another year fighting to barely even make the playoffs can have quite an effect on a GM.

Sooner or later even the most stout GM will realize it's time to change leadership.

First things first is help on blueline naturally.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Guys, he is trolling. Don't bother feeding it.

 

[Johnk0728]

Giroux's wingers are Matt Read and Michael Raffl now. As soon as Hakstol; wakes up from his Nyquil sleep and re-arranges the lines, Giroux will start putting up points again. He is still a very good NHL player. he is not the player he was physically 4-5 years ago. He has had hip surgery etc. This is why the Flyers need a true #2 center IMHO.

 

[tade]

Giroux should be fine until the end of his contract, barring some serious injury. 5 years after this year, is okay, he's still only 29. No need to move him or anything, he'll be still valuable player for the team, despite his contract

And it's not like he's done in term of offensive production lol, I am sure, he will still have some big year in terms of scoring, sometimes in the future. Especially with our stacked defense.

 

[JXC]

Giroux should be fine until the end of his contract, barring some serious injury. 5 years after this year, is okay, he's still only 29. No need to move him or anything, he'll be still valuable player for the team, despite his contract

And it's not like he's done in term of offensive production lol, I am sure, he will still have some big year in terms of scoring, sometimes in the future. Especially with our stacked defense.

An improved back line will help everyone, thats for sure.

 

[WIP CALLER]

Giroux's wingers are Matt Read and Michael Raffl now. As soon as Hakstol; wakes up from his Nyquil sleep and re-arranges the lines, Giroux will start putting up points again. He is still a very good NHL player. he is not the player he was physically 4-5 years ago. He has had hip surgery etc. This is why the Flyers need a true #2 center IMHO.

Completely correct. Expecting g, a playmaker, to produce points with 2 players that are black holes offensively is asinine. Coach needs to make an actual 1st line and actual 2nd line with the talent given and worry about the bottom 6 not scoring enough later. Doing this equal lines with at least 1 offensive black hole on every line is hurting their scoring. Same with the defense. Hak needs to give his best players, the most minutes. This balancing act of trying to hide **** players on top lines is killing the entire line up.

 

[Ruck Over]

Completely correct. Expecting g, a playmaker, to produce points with 2 players that are black holes offensively is asinine. Coach needs to make an actual 1st line and actual 2nd line with the talent given and worry about the bottom 6 not scoring enough later. Doing this equal lines with at least 1 offensive black hole on every line is hurting their scoring. Same with the defense. Hak needs to give his best players, the most minutes. This balancing act of trying to hide **** players on top lines is killing the entire line up.

Last night's game converted me to a hater of Hakstol's line-up. I thought the Flyers better players were able to overcome some of the questionable decisions, but the lines are ****ed. When all are healthy, we have 6 good forwards (a bit mismatched) and two servicable forwards (Raffl, Read), and 1 question mark (Lumby). That is not a winning formula, Weise has been a bust, and then the other two, 1 of which I like.

Depth has been the team's Achilles heel for so long, the trading of draft picks prior years is really haunting us. Using stucco instead of cement hasn't helped either.

 

[Curufinwe]

Raffl is not a black hole offensively, and never has been. In his NHL career he scores at about the same rate as Giroux, Couturier and Schenn 5 on 5.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ards&minutes=300&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

McGee really has no idea what he's talking about. Hakstol has given our best forwards the most ice time all season long. If they're not producing, it's not because of lack of ice time.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?agg...lter=gamesPlayed,gte,&sort=evTimeOnIcePerGame

 

[deadhead]

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Just invent your own facts, it's the new thing.

 

[Curufinwe]

Or invent your own definitions.

 

[Striiker]

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Just invent your own facts, it's the new thing.

You literally do exactly this every time you post. Holy ****ing hypocrisy.

 

[JXC]

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Just invent your own facts, it's the new thing.

It's not new; it just seems that way as commonfolk didn't used to have access to truth, now we can get it right on ESPN.com.

 

[JXC]

Completely correct. Expecting g, a playmaker, to produce points with 2 players that are black holes offensively is asinine. Coach needs to make an actual 1st line and actual 2nd line with the talent given and worry about the bottom 6 not scoring enough later. Doing this equal lines with at least 1 offensive black hole on every line is hurting their scoring. Same with the defense. Hak needs to give his best players, the most minutes. This balancing act of trying to hide **** players on top lines is killing the entire line up.

Brent Fedyk scored 20 goals playing alongside Eric Lindros.

Trent Klatt had 24 playing alongside Lindros.

Klatt today would be considered a "black hole". He'd make Gudas look fast.

It's a fine line. A stacked top line looks nice but is susceptible to shutdown matchups. Balanced scoring is what's needed. Alas but the Flyers aren't that deep.

 

[Curufinwe]

All Giroux's goals from last season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJrdN3Bw03Q

 

[WIP CALLER]

Raffl is not a black hole offensively, and never has been. In his NHL career he scores at about the same rate as Giroux, Couturier and Schenn 5 on 5.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ards&minutes=300&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

McGee really has no idea what he's talking about. Hakstol has given our best forwards the most ice time all season long. If they're not producing, it's not because of lack of ice time.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?agg...lter=gamesPlayed,gte,&sort=evTimeOnIcePerGame

Raffl doesnt deserve to be in the top 6 based on his play this season. He gets the same amount of 5 on 5 time as Simmonds and schenn and more time than Konecny. And all of them are scoring at a higher rate 5 on 5 than raffl. I'm sure if Raffl got powerplay time his offensive prowess would mean he'd outscore or come very close to their point totals right? The fact is he only has 11 points even strength while playing most of his minutes with the best player and sometimes 2 best players on the team. How many of his even strength points over the last few seasons have been scored on a line without giroux or Voracek, you know the 2 best scorers on the team? Since he is such an offensive dynamo at even strength could he play on the 3rd line with Weise and Cousins and still score even close to the same rate at even strength? Speaking of Cousins, he has 3 less even strength points playing with far inferior players and far less ice time in 1 more game played. Is he also someone who is solid offensively and should get a top line spot? Also the guy that defends Macdonald getting top minutes by using 5 on 5 scoring telling anyone they don't know what they're talking about is pretty ironic. You must have a lot of deep insecurities about yourself since you throw these childish quips to anyone that makes a post that contradicts your beloved statistics since statistics tell the entire story of a player's skill. Why do scouts and coaches even bother to watch games when you can look at espn.com even strength scoring statistics of someone and know their offensive ability. Go through ice times on a game by game basis and you'll Hakstol has not given the top 6 best offensive players the most ice time cpnsistently other than giroux and Voracek, but using averages for the entire season won't tell you that hate to break it to you.

 

[TCTC]

Raffl has these crazy runs where his s% is around 20%. He has 8 goals on only 48 shots this season. That's completely unsustainable for a player like him.

I think he can still be a useful complementary player on the top line, but only if he has both Giroux and Voracek on his line bringing their a-game. We've seen that Giroux and Read isn't enough to make Raffl a top line player.