What do you want from the Jackets' next GM?

CBJx614

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There seems to be a total lack of urgency in getting this done.
Based on what? Do you work in the CBJ front office?

We as fans shouldn't actually hear anything until it's announced. Just because stuff hasn't been leaked out doesn't mean stuff isn't happening in the background. There's still almost half of the league the FO can't even talk to. If Zito was their guy before his extension there's a possibility they wouldn't have been able to fully talk with him until almost June...
 

MissADD

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There seems to be a total lack of urgency in getting this done.
Not really. If the person they is working for a team that is currently in the playoffs, that team is well within their right to say we aren't letting you interview them until their season is over. Lets say Darche is their top guy, his season ended last night. Now that teams seasons are ending, I expect some interviews to take place.
 
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CalBuckeyeRob

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Hopefully they don't try to rush the process. If there are candidates that are on teams that go deep into the playoffs, I don't want the desire to hire someone sooner cause the pool to shrink.
 

cbjthrowaway

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No question, the CEO in the business world is judged on profitability and if a publicly held company, they are judged first and foremost on the performance of the company's stock.
you cannot entirely separate the two, though, because the on-ice results drive a ton of revenue.

it's a gate-driven league. good teams have more expensive tickets, better ratings, more sponsorship opportunities, etc. – and that's without getting into the millions of dollars per game that they'd make in the playoffs.

every year they miss the playoffs, they miss out on tens of millions of dollars in potential profit. mike priest has, at the very least, signed off on every coaching/GM hire that has failed to yield those results in the last 25 years.

it's been written about ad nauseam, but the organization has refused to pay top dollar for coaches and it has burned them. they got lucky once (torts) with a reclamation project there, then got burned when they tried to replicate that (babcock). otherwise it's a lot of cheap first-timers who are in over their heads (lars, pv).

it's not like JD and jarmo were the guys pinching pennies with those hires. they were working within budgets set by mike priest and ownership.
 

CalBuckeyeRob

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you cannot entirely separate the two, though, because the on-ice results drive a ton of revenue.

it's a gate-driven league. good teams have more expensive tickets, better ratings, more sponsorship opportunities, etc. – and that's without getting into the millions of dollars per game that they'd make in the playoffs.

every year they miss the playoffs, they miss out on tens of millions of dollars in potential profit. mike priest has, at the very least, signed off on every coaching/GM hire that has failed to yield those results in the last 25 years.

it's been written about ad nauseam, but the organization has refused to pay top dollar for coaches and it has burned them. they got lucky once (torts) with a reclamation project there, then got burned when they tried to replicate that (babcock). otherwise it's a lot of cheap first-timers who are in over their heads (lars, pv).

it's not like JD and jarmo were the guys pinching pennies with those hires. they were working within budgets set by mike priest and ownership.
I wonder if Jarmo wanted cheaper coaches because they demand less power which allowed the GM to be in total control of all personnel moves.
 

cbjthrowaway

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I wonder if Jarmo wanted cheaper coaches because they demand less power which allowed the GM to be in total control of all personnel moves.
i 100% get that it was time for jarmo to go but this is revisionist history that doesn't even fit the MO that jarmo showed when he was here. jarmo was always ardent that the coach sets the lineup, and that the GM's job is to give the coach pieces that work.

not only that, but jarmo wasn't even the top ranking hockey ops executive (that was JD). these guys also don't just make up their own budgets, those get set by ownership, and they have to get approval if they go over. not exactly an "absolute power" guy or position. they only hire 'damaged goods' coaches (torts/babcock) or first-timers who aren't hot commodities on the HC market (larsen, pv) because ownership doesn't want to shell out the money to win a bidding war for a coach who has legitimate interest around the league.
 

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i 100% get that it was time for jarmo to go but this is revisionist history that doesn't even fit the MO that jarmo showed when he was here. jarmo was always ardent that the coach sets the lineup, and that the GM's job is to give the coach pieces that work.

not only that, but jarmo wasn't even the top ranking hockey ops executive (that was JD). these guys also don't just make up their own budgets, those get set by ownership, and they have to get approval if they go over. not exactly an "absolute power" guy or position. they only hire 'damaged goods' coaches (torts/babcock) or first-timers who aren't hot commodities on the HC market (larsen, pv) because ownership doesn't want to shell out the money to win a bidding war for a coach who has legitimate interest around the league.
Ding ding! We don't need to make up supervillain conspiracy theories about Jarmo. Sometimes incompetence and cheapness is just that. Simple organizational rot.
 
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Toronto, Montreal, and the Rangers are the most valuable franchises and I assume they are far far more profitable than any other team. Toronto fans complain that the salary cap hurts them, but really it protects their team’s profitability. Should these teams be considered the most successful franchises in the NHL?
My comment was specifically about how CEOs are evaluated in the business world. As a business, the Rangers and the Leafs are the most successful ie. profitable in the NHL.
 

cbjthrowaway

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My comment was specifically about how CEOs are evaluated in the business world. As a business, the Rangers and the Leafs are the most successful ie. profitable in the NHL.
those franchises also outright tanked in order to build teams that would have sustainable success and perennial playoff appearances, have been willing to fire coaches with a ton of money remaining, and have spent top dollar on front office personnel + coaches.

they do those things because they understand that significant investment into those positions + a strategic vision for getting to (and staying in) the playoffs yields maximum actual profits.

hell, even florida – a failing business for years prior to (and in the first few years with) their current ownership – understood the assignment. you have to be ruthless and decisive – they had an adams finalist in brunette and let him go so they could get a proven coach in maurice, and it almost got them a cup in year 1.

in the NHL, the easiest way to maximize profit is to make consistent, deep playoff runs. the blue jackets haven't ever had that, in large part because ownership is too impatient to abide by a long-term rebuild and too cheap to pay top dollar for a good coach.

you really can't separate the on-ice stuff from the business side.
 

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