GDT: West Division Final Game #1. Avs host Vegas. Wedding Party in Denver!

[The Abusement Park]

2-day break is intentional to give Vegas some rest after Game 7 and Game 1 played in 3 days time.

Nuggets play on Tuesday. Didn't really have much of an option. Was that or a b2b.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Pretty sure Ball Arena is booked on Tuesday, so I don't think you can peg this on a pro-Vegas conspiracy.

Yes it is, but they could have started tonight and Wednesday.

 

[Spleenless Wonder21]

I can't think of anyone quite like him. He reminds me of peak Erik Karlsson or Scott Niedermayer when he carries the puck up the ice, but I don't remember either of those players being able to skate laterally through traffic like he can. You only usually see elite forwards who can do that.

Lidstrom is the best all around defenseman I’ve ever seen (painful as that is to admit as an Avs fan), but he couldn’t do what Makar can with his skates, or the puck.

 

[cody275]

Yes it is, but they could have started tonight and Wednesday.

So a 2 day break before the series vs one after game 1.... what's the difference? Only reason it's not he standard 1 day is because of the Nuggets, not some pro Vegas thing

 

[The Kingslayer]

Lidstrom is the best all around defenseman I’ve ever seen (painful as that is to admit as an Avs fan), but he couldn’t do what Makar can with his skates, or the puck.

Nik couldn't skate like Makar but Lidstroms positioning, gap control, IQ was so good. Lidstrom probably had the greatest stick I have ever seen. We praise Toews for his good stick but Lidstroms was that x 10...unless Peter Forsberg was steaming down the wing...

 

[The Kingslayer]

Paccioretty was pretty tamed before he joined the VGK. I think there is a POS culture with that team that turns their players into jerks.

That's what Vegas does to people though. I have a buddy who is the most lame guy of all time worse than jabroni Matt Duchene but when he gets to Vegas he turns into freaking Hunter Biden.

 

[Bender]

I wouldn't be opposed to a bigger, slightly more skilled version of O'Brien on our 4th line for games like this.
I'm not 100% sold on the idea of a pro-Vegas conspiracy, but it wouldn't absolutely shock me. I'd assume it would be because of a handshake deal when Vegas joined the league wherein the league would agree to skew things in their favor during the first (5?) years to give them a better chance of success.

To clarify - I'm not suggesting that Bettman and the Vegas owner routinely have phone calls to talk about how they can make things better for VGK and potentially screw over other teams or anything like that. The way I see it, they are the newest franchise and I think Bettman and his group take it upon themselves to set it up that way to make sure his newest owner is a happy camper.

I know some people will scoff but we've seen the Bruins get away with some insanely shady stuff over the past 20 years and it's obviously because of Jacobs relationship with Bettman. After the whole colin campbell fiasco of like 10 years ago, I personally don't feel like ANY NHL official has integrity that is above reproach especially since they kept campbell on for years after that nonsense happened.

 

[The Kingslayer]

I got zero respect for Vegas and their fans.

Reading their boards is embarrassing. Everybody on here agreed that Kadri should have been suspended because it was a very dirty hit. You got guys there happy with the response on Graves and claiming Graves faked being hurt.

You don't see our players going after Pacioretty for his dirty hit on Sammy G.

Yah everyone apart from maybe 3 posters were united in our disgust for Kadri and his head shot. I might have been the most pissed off. I don't know how you can praise what Reaves did. First he cross checks Grubs in the head then grabs Graves to the ground and proceeds to put his knee on his head. Vegas fans saying Graves was faking it? Seriously? Graves is spitting out blood after the melee. You think that's a work? Like he asked Ric Flair before the game how to properly draw blood? f*** sakes.

Im not sure if the Graves check has been discussed im sure it has but I had no issue with the hit. It wasn't cheap it was a nanosecond late and sure that's a 2 minute minor for interference. I had more of an issue of when the hit was made in relation to the score. If you are sticking it to the opps the way the Avs were you should let up on that play. I know that sounds stupid but you don't want to give the other team any reason to rally or give them an excuse to do f*** boy shit. Chances are the Knights would have done stupid shit anyways but to what degree im not sure but once that hit was made I was 100% sure DeBoer was going to send his idiots out there to "send a message" Also f*** DeBoer.

A few seasons ago Zadorov kills a panther player and I think the Avs were leading by a few goals. The Panthers were dead in the water. Z hits the guy and then proceeds to taunt or gesture at the Panthers bench as hes being escorted to the room. The Panthers rally and win that game in OT I believe.
Something similar happened a year before that I believe when the Avs had a 5-0 lead against the Flames and Ian Cole destroys a guy in the neutral zone rallying the Flames. The Flames won the game 6-5 if I recall.

 

[Bender]

To clarify - I'm not suggesting that Bettman and the Vegas owner routinely have phone calls to talk about how they can make things better for VGK and potentially screw over other teams or anything like that. The way I see it, they are the newest franchise and I think Bettman and his group take it upon themselves to set it up that way to make sure his newest owner is a happy camper.

I know some people will scoff but we've seen the Bruins get away with some insanely shady stuff over the past 20 years and it's obviously because of Jacobs relationship with Bettman. After the whole colin campbell fiasco of like 10 years ago, I personally don't feel like ANY NHL official has integrity that is above reproach especially since they kept campbell on for years after that nonsense happened.

Case in point -> The Kadri suspension has been upheld at 8 games.

I fully expect -> reaves to get 1 game or maybe even just a fine patioready to get nothing.

 

[Spleenless Wonder21]

Nik couldn't skate like Makar but Lidstroms positioning, gap control, IQ was so good. Lidstrom probably had the greatest stick I have ever seen. We praise Toews for his good stick but Lidstroms was that x 10...unless Peter Forsberg was steaming down the wing...

Maybe it was a Swedish thing, or Foppa really really hated those SOBs, in which case I love that Spleenless Wonder all the more.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Pretty, pretty, good.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Maybe it was a Swedish thing, or Foppa really really hated those SOBs, in which case I love that Spleenless Wonder all the more.

Forsberg was the only guy who got the better of Nik especially in 99 and 00 playoffs. He nor Chelios could contain Forsberg in those series.

 

[Bender]

Im not sure if the Graves check has been discussed im sure it has but I had no issue with the hit. It wasn't cheap it was a nanosecond late and sure that's a 2 minute minor for interference. I had more of an issue of when the hit was made in relation to the score. If you are sticking it to the opps the way the Avs were you should let up on that play. I know that sounds stupid but you don't want to give the other team any reason to rally or give them an excuse to do f*** boy shit. Chances are the Knights would have done stupid shit anyways but to what degree im not sure but once that hit was made I was 100% sure DeBoer was going to send his idiots out there to "send a message" Also f*** DeBoer.

The Sportsnet feed timed the hit with the Aaron Rome hit on Nathan Horton in 2011 as a model of a 'borderline' late hit and that one was at 1 second. The time on the Graves hit on Janmark was 0.65 seconds and they deemed on the broadcast that it was NOT late. The issue with it is that Janmark is looking behind him when he was hit rather than straight ahead where he could have braced for it.

Like someone else mentioned earlier in the thread - VGK had a similar hit on Donskoi early in the 1st period where he just turned around and didn't see the hit coming and he took a big hit but didn't end up getting hurt. We didn't go crazy trying to get revenge - we just kept playing.

 

[The Kingslayer]

The Sportsnet feed timed the hit with the Aaron Rome hit on Nathan Horton in 2011 as a model of a 'borderline' late hit and that one was at 1 second. The time on the Graves hit on Janmark was 0.65 seconds and they deemed on the broadcast that it was NOT late. The issue with it is that Janmark is looking behind him when he was hit rather than straight ahead where he could have braced for it.

Like someone else mentioned earlier in the thread - VGK had a similar hit on Donskoi early in the 1st period where he just turned around and didn't see the hit coming and he took a big hit but didn't end up getting hurt. We didn't go crazy trying to get revenge - we just kept playing.

I know of the Donskoi hit you speak of and I was actually upset with Donskoi for not being aware. I was also upset a few times with Nuke for the same thing in the first period.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Im not sure if the Graves check has been discussed im sure it has but I had no issue with the hit. It wasn't cheap it was a nanosecond late and sure that's a 2 minute minor for interference.

It was just really unfortunate in where Janmark was. If he's in center ice he doesn't hit his head and there's way less controversy in that hit.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Pretty, pretty, good.

What always blows me away with him, is how much he always gets on his passes. Even when he has no time or space his passes have alot of velocity. No "windup" or anything, just a flick and it's comin' in hot.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

Is the Reaves match penalty getting overturned today? Or will they wait until tomorrow since the next game isn't until Wednesday?

 

[Bender]

Is the Reaves match penalty getting overturned today? Or will they wait until tomorrow since the next game isn't until Wednesday?

Probably tomorrow because they are going to want to make it look like they took more than 5 minutes to decide.

 

[tbassler]

Case in point -> The Kadri suspension has been upheld at 8 games.

I fully expect -> reaves to get 1 game or maybe even just a fine patioready to get nothing.

Patio-ready. I love it!

 

[dahrougem2]

The Sportsnet feed timed the hit with the Aaron Rome hit on Nathan Horton in 2011 as a model of a 'borderline' late hit and that one was at 1 second. The time on the Graves hit on Janmark was 0.65 seconds and they deemed on the broadcast that it was NOT late. The issue with it is that Janmark is looking behind him when he was hit rather than straight ahead where he could have braced for it.

Like someone else mentioned earlier in the thread - VGK had a similar hit on Donskoi early in the 1st period where he just turned around and didn't see the hit coming and he took a big hit but didn't end up getting hurt. We didn't go crazy trying to get revenge - we just kept playing.

I don't understand the CBC guys - and a lot of media people today - and their perspectives on the hit. The whole "I didn't like it in a 4-0 game" diatribe. Linda Cohen especially on SiriusXM today was adamant about "the hit didn't need to happen."

I'm sorry, but wtf? So we're going to allow the Golden Knights to run around hitting our players and we can't throw hits back because we're beating them badly on the scoreboard? Spare me with the "unwritten code" B.S. You see a guy able to be hit, you hit him. Maybe tell Janmark to keep his head up.

 

[Spleenless Wonder21]

Can we talk about Mikko’s backhand skills?

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

Can we talk about Mikko’s backhand skills?

Not much to say other than: bush league shit.

 

[Spleenless Wonder21]

Not much to say other than: bush league shit.

It’s not the 1st he’s made this year, though.

 

[armedequation]

I don't understand the CBC guys - and a lot of media people today - and their perspectives on the hit. The whole "I didn't like it in a 4-0 game" diatribe. Linda Cohen especially on SiriusXM today was adamant about "the hit didn't need to happen."

I'm sorry, but wtf? So we're going to allow the Golden Knights to run around hitting our players and we can't throw hits back because we're beating them badly on the scoreboard? Spare me with the "unwritten code" B.S. You see a guy able to be hit, you hit him. Maybe tell Janmark to keep his head up.

yeah nbc spent at least a good 10 minutes justifying reaves nonsense by talking about the graves hit. gtfoh

you could feel it building with the avs. all these teams "trying to intimidate" by being physical. I got tired of watching it at home let alone being a part of it and having to deal with the we cant beat you on the scoreboard so we will have our way with you physically mentality

 

[The Kingslayer]

I don't understand the CBC guys - and a lot of media people today - and their perspectives on the hit. The whole "I didn't like it in a 4-0 game" diatribe. Linda Cohen especially on SiriusXM today was adamant about "the hit didn't need to happen."

I'm sorry, but wtf? So we're going to allow the Golden Knights to run around hitting our players and we can't throw hits back because we're beating them badly on the scoreboard? Spare me with the "unwritten code" B.S. You see a guy able to be hit, you hit him. Maybe tell Janmark to keep his head up.

That's just how it is in hockey. You want be physical regardless of the score but blowing guys up when the game is out of reach is a grey area for me. I didn't like it when guys took runs at teammates in beer league when the score was out of reach. Its definetly old school. Bieksa and Galley also mentioned it last night. Its kinda like what Emelin did to Colbourne in that one blow out game.