NFL GDT: Week 8

[My3Sons]

Not a PI, yall need to relax.

was it not a PI because he got there early or because he interfere with the receiver’s ability to catch the ball all while not looking at the ball or making any play on the ball?

 

[YoSoyLalo]

It’s Tom Brady and the league has a marque matchup next week with TB and NO. You can’t have TB lose to upset that Apple cart. With no fans in the stands they desperately need those ratings. Integrity of the league be damned.

how does tampa losing this game affect the ratings of that game...? either it's 5-3 vs 5-2 or 6-2 vs 5-2

 

[My3Sons]

how does tampa losing this game affect the ratings of that game...? either it's 5-3 vs 5-2 or 6-2 vs 5-2

it’s Tom Brady. We’ve all seen this story before.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

it’s Tom Brady. We’ve all seen this story before.

that doesn't answer my question lol

 

[mouser]

Unless the change the rule then what you're describing is still a penalty

Defensive players regularly make contact with receivers before the ball arrives without penalty. Lots of nuances on how and when a PI is called. I think this decision was reasonable.

Just my opinion.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Defensive players regularly make contact with receivers before the ball arrives without penalty. Lots of nuances on how and when a PI is called. I think this decision was reasonable.

Just my opinion.

Only if the DB is turned around playing the ball, mutual contact like hand fighting or incidental contact like feet getting tangled. This was none of the above and not only a clear PI penalty, they picked the f***ing flag up

 

[My3Sons]

Defensive players regularly make contact with receivers before the ball arrives without penalty. Lots of nuances on how and when a PI is called. I think this decision was reasonable.

Just my opinion.

That’s really the point. It’s not supposed to be so subjective. The exact same play is PI at times and at times not. The statistics show various anomalies - apparently GB gets the most help with flags on third down amd NO gets screwed the most in that teams get far fewer callas against when playing NO - that it makes the refs have way too much say in the outcome of games and the reffing should even out but it doesn’t. That seems fishy to me.

 

[GKJ]

It was a close call. I wouldn’t call it ‘controversial’ though.

 

[My3Sons]

that doesn't answer my question lol

You’ll get your answer next week when several ticky tack calls go against NO and several fairly obvious calls are not made against TB. The refs will have too much say in what should be a fairly even game and magically it will help TB.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

You’ll get your answer next week when several ticky tack calls go against NO and several fairly obvious calls are not made against TB. The refs will have too much say in what should be a fairly even game and magically it will help TB.

But why does losing to the Giants affect the ratings of that game when the importance of that game remains the same either way? That’s my question, and your “explanation“ has literally nothing to do with it.

 

[JTBF81]

It was close but nothing close to some of the stuff that has been overturned after officials got together and discussed. It's hilarious watching Bears fans on here moaning after their team beat the Bucs in large part due to some very suspect officiating and an official overturn after a discussion in that game as well lol. The Bucs played poorly, but since there were more than a few that thought they may look ahead to the Saints it wasn't 100% surprising. Happy to take the win and hopefully have better preparation for next week.

 

[Hoverhand]

The flag getting picked up at the end of the game wasn't the problem, it was Cameron Brate driving his head into Logan Ryan's helmet and then Ryan getting a penalty that's infuriating.

 

[My3Sons]

But why does losing to the Giants affect the ratings of that game when the importance of that game remains the same either way? That’s my question, and your “explanation“ has literally nothing to do with it.

I disagree. It’s not worth discussing further. You can have the last word. My point still stands.

 

[mouser]

That’s really the point. It’s not supposed to be so subjective. The exact same play is PI at times and at times not. The statistics show various anomalies - apparently GB gets the most help with flags on third down amd NO gets screwed the most in that teams get far fewer callas against when playing NO - that it makes the refs have way too much say in the outcome of games and the reffing should even out but it doesn’t. That seems fishy to me.

Anything requiring people to observe and make a decision will be subjective to some degree. Just as we see with us posters in this thread.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

I disagree. It’s not worth discussing further. You can have the last word. My point still stands.

You're making zero sense. What do you disagree with? How does saying "the refs will help Brady next week!!" explain why that game's ratings are impacted by them losing today? What the actual f***

 

[DoyleG]

But why does losing to the Giants affect the ratings of that game when the importance of that game remains the same either way? That’s my question, and your “explanation“ has literally nothing to do with it.

The Aints have the H2H advantage in this game and have the #3 seed currently. With the career TD mark in play now, having both teams at the record for a grudge match means a lot.

Giants win hurts the Bucs in all the tiebreaker scenarios and makes the game less of a TV draw.

That's how business works.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

The Aints have the H2H advantage in this game and have the #3 seed currently. With the career TD mark in play now, having both teams at the record for a grudge match means a lot.

Giants win hurts the Bucs in all the tiebreaker scenarios and makes the game less of a TV draw.

That's how business works.

I sincerely doubt the Bucs being 5-3 instead of 6-2 makes less people watch it. It's still a pivotal divsion matchup regardless. But at least you attempted an explanation.

 

[My3Sons]

Anything requiring people to observe and make a decision will be subjective to some degree. Just as we see with us posters in this thread.

That doesn’t make it right. The NFL can and should be better. Subjective and consistent is reasonable. Subjective and wildly inconsistent where that inconsistency seems to consistently favor certain teams is poor.

 

[mouser]

Only if the DB is turned around playing the ball, mutual contact like hand fighting or incidental contact like feet getting tangled. This was none of the above and not only a clear PI penalty, they picked the f***ing flag up

You’re talking about downfield DB vs receiver situations where faceguarding, not looking back for the ball and contact are regularly PI.

Short 5 yard goal line pass attempts like this aren’t judged as heavily on face guarding by the refs.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Jones blew the two pointer. Easy pitch and catch but he hesitated , was late and inside. Absolutely terrible after a gorgeous throw for the touchdown. The guy is so hot and cold it’s unbelievable.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

Count me on the side of they got the call right.

The contact was minimal and had no affect on the receiver's ability to make the catch, seeing as the defender's arm got in the way of the ball.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

good no call. Giants have no one to blame but their QB. That ball has got to get out of Jones' hand right away and it would have been an easy conversion. Daniel Jones shows you flashes but he's a very flawed right now.

 

[StreetHawk]

good no call. Giants have no one to blame but their QB. That ball has got to get out of Jones' hand right away and it would have been an easy conversion. Daniel Jones shows you flashes but he's a very flawed right now.

Expected more polish from him given that he was like a 3 year starter at Duke. Not an big time program, but you expect to work out more flaws by playing 30 plus games in college.

His main flaws are pocket awareness as he's been the victim of too many strip sacks and fumbles. Plus his anticipation is lacking. That last pass was both late and 3 feet to the left of where it needed to be for Lewis. If they hold a pick for either Lawrence/Fields, and even Lance, do they pull the trigger ala AZ and take a QB and send Jones packing?

 

[member 157595]

Expected more polish from him given that he was like a 3 year starter at Duke. Not an big time program, but you expect to work out more flaws by playing 30 plus games in college.

His main flaws are pocket awareness as he's been the victim of too many strip sacks and fumbles. Plus his anticipation is lacking. That last pass was both late and 3 feet to the left of where it needed to be for Lewis. If they hold a pick for either Lawrence/Fields, and even Lance, do they pull the trigger ala AZ and take a QB and send Jones packing?

Lawrence and Fields, yes. Lance, probably not IMO. If they have pick #3 they should take Sewell and trade him to the Bengals for a 7th round pick.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

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