Dagistitsyn
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A Game like tonight explains exactly why I question on gally
In that case, is anyone on our team top 6 besides Pacioretty?
A Game like tonight explains exactly why I question on gally
In that case, is anyone on our team top 6 besides Pacioretty?
Stop defending him and be honest.
So you want people to offer their opinion, but before they do, you tell them to "stop defending him."
Seems like you don't want people's opinion, you want people to agree with you. Seems rather pointless.
Yeah, but then you run into the problem of calling things something different from what they are.
Defining a top pairing defenseman as something other than a defenseman who's good enough to play on one of the 30 NHL top pairings might be ok in your head but when you speak to other people you just spend most of your time explaining to them that the thing they're looking at that they think is an apple is actually a banana, by your definition.
couldnt be more wrong.
Sorry, 3rd liners arent important part of teams, they're usually replaceable quite easily.
I think that's an interesting discussion that might be relevant in this case. If a player plays a #1/2 D role on a team but he would not be able to on any other team but good enough to be a #3/4 on most teams, is he a #1/2 D or a #3/4 D filling in at #1/2 D out of necessity for that team?
This is a direct quote on what you thought a 3rd liner's value to the team is:
I think that's an interesting discussion that might be relevant in this case. If a player plays a #1/2 D role on a team but he would not be able to on any other team but good enough to be a #3/4 on most teams, is he a #1/2 D or a #3/4 D filling in at #1/2 D out of necessity for that team?
except, I'm not living in this fantazy where 45/50 pts players 25 or so goal scorers are 3rd liners... I watch the game, I look at stats, look at usage of various players, and I know full well that 50 pts players will be at worst 2nd liners on almost every team - including contenders - unless they literally bring nothing else than these 50 pts to their team (and even then, some team will be desperate enough to play them top 6 anyway)...
So you want people to offer their opinion, but before they do, you tell them to "stop defending him."
Seems like you don't want people's opinion, you want people to agree with you. Seems rather pointless.
except, the quote said "3rd liners arent important part of teams, they're usually replaceable quite easily" and your reply does nothing to refute that you have a negative view on what a 3rd liner is to a team. In fact, IMO it only strengthens that you are overreacting based on your own negative perceptions on what a 3rd liner is...
Gallagher is still young, he has one ~40 point season. It's completely realistic he ends the season with ~35 points this season or maybe ~50 points. Nobody knows for sure. I don't think you react as strongly to someone saying '2nd/3rd' liner unless you thought so lowly of the 3rd liners...which by your own words is true. Once Gallagher becomes more of a sure thing, IMO he can be deemed a 2nd liner. Until then I don't think 2nd/3rd liner is unfair, we don't really know how good he'll be yet. He's only 22, it's not uncommon for his player types to stagnate/regress or breakout.
there's nothing negative about it, for the most part 3rd liners are 30 pts players who will bring other stuff to the table, physicality, defense, whatever... it's neither negative or positive, it's just the way it is.
You are literally quoted in this thread saying they "arent important part of teams" and "replaceable quite easily"...which can be deemed negative. Our 3rd liners are Eller - Sekac and imo they are not only important but hard to replace.