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14ari13

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Felt the same way. Even before the Abs hit we weren't generating anything, and the only real chance was the Franzen breakaway. This team is beyond boring. Very little skill, not much speed and no real physicality in the lineup. Pav and Hank showed a lot of heart carrying Detroit offensively down the stretch, but neither look dynamic right now. Frankly, both look like fading stars that are past their primes, which shouldn't be a shock because of their age. A plug like Cogliano or the young kid Etam have created more chances because of their great speed alone than almost every Detroit forward. How in the world does Holland build a team that has no strengths? What is our calling card? Our identity? How can a roster be weak AND slow? Lacking skill AND not hard to play against? It's frustrating to think about, let alone watch.

Datsyuk hit the post. We were very close taking the lead.

I think your post illustrates that the Wings have been winning a lot of and now even a playoff game is boring.
 
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8snake

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Datsyuk hit the post. We were very close taking the lead.

I think your post illustrate that the Wings have been winning a lot of and now even a playoff game is boring.
Pav hit the post on one of the million PP's we had. We generated NOTHING at even strength.
As for my post "illustrating" anything, it has nothing to do with Detroit "winning a lot" or being spoiled and everything to do with a poorly constructed roster and a gradual descent into full fledged mediocrity. The Wings are boring because they lack the elements that make a team exciting...great skill, speed and physicality. Detroit has had none of that for years now.
 

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Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1 min
Abdelkader's hearing is at 4 pm ET.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 4 min
DET's Justin Abdelkader will have a telephone hearing with the NHL this afternoon for his hit on ANA's Tony Lydman last night.
 

14ari13

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Pav hit the post on one of the million PP's we had. We generated NOTHING at even strength.
As for my post "illustrating" anything, it has nothing to do with Detroit "winning a lot" or being spoiled and everything to do with a poorly constructed roster and a gradual descent into full fledged mediocrity. The Wings are boring because they lack the elements that make a team exciting...great skill, speed and physicality. Detroit has had none of that for years now.

Ducks could not generate any offense either. That is the way the games are played.
The Wings have a lot of rookies and the Wings are a transition team.
I agree about criticizing Holland though.
We need Helm badly.
 

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That Brunner kid is so good on the point. Like, it's worked all season long!

I've grown tired of Babcock's favortism and stubborness. He's a fantastic coach but he isn't the one for the Detroit Red Wings. It's time to go in a new direction, thank you for the memories Babs and good luck with the next team
 

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Yup. Howard attempted a move as the last man back and turned the puck over. Howard ran Toni Lydman and got a 5 minute major. Howard failed to score a goal through 60 minutes. Howard botched powerplay after powerplay. Its all his fault.
This is true. Howard never scores goals. He sucks:sarcasm:
 

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Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1 min
Abdelkader's hearing is at 4 pm ET.

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DET's Justin Abdelkader will have a telephone hearing with the NHL this afternoon for his hit on ANA's Tony Lydman last night.

Pretty decent breakdown of Gator's hit right here:



On nhl.com, it mentions the grounds for discipline is charging. But with the above video slowed down, he wasn't taking any strides, so how did they consider charging? And also, his skates were on the ice at the time of impact. No way the refs should have gone from no call to a 5 and game after they saw Lydman didn't get up right away.
 

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babcock is 100% right, we simply dont have enough size in our top 6, specifically size combined with skill and toughness, whereas the Ducks have at least 4 such guys

its 100% unacceptable for any team nowadays to have anymore then 2 small forwards in their top 6, that is under 6 feet and under 190lbs

the same problem will once again for the 4th straight post-season cost us in the playoffs. we're so easy to out muscle and dont have the overwhelming skill to compensate for it

datsyuk and zetterberg should be our only small skilled top 6 forwards

everyone has to go
 

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Game is on Abby and Brunner - two incredibly dumb plays.

Need to capitalize on our chances - that's on Datsyuk, Z and Mule.

Interested to see game 4 lineup. Babcock and Holland haven't been on the same page for two seasons. May come to a head sooner rather than later.
 

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Game is on Abby and Brunner - two incredibly dumb plays.

Need to capitalize on our chances - that's on Datsyuk, Z and Mule.

Interested to see game 4 lineup. Babcock and Holland haven't been on the same page for two seasons. May come to a head sooner rather than later.

thats because holland believes that its yzerman, federov, shanahan, larinov, hull and robitaille jumping over the boards

does he even know those guys are all wearing white running shoes somewhere down in Florida living at Del Boca Vista yet?
 

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babcock is 100% right, we simply dont have enough size in our top 6, specifically size combined with skill and toughness, whereas the Ducks have at least 4 such guys

its 100% unacceptable for any team nowadays to have anymore then 2 small forwards in their top 6, that is under 6 feet and under 190lbs

the same problem will once again for the 4th straight post-season cost us in the playoffs. we're so easy to out muscle and dont have the overwhelming skill to compensate for it

datsyuk and zetterberg should be our only small skilled top 6 forwards

everyone has to go

Everyone in the Top 6 is at least 6' and a 190 lbs with the exception of Dats and Z who are " 5'11""

It's not a size issue. It's a lack of speed and execution.
 

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babcock is 100% right, we simply dont have enough size in our top 6, specifically size combined with skill and toughness, whereas the Ducks have at least 4 such guys

its 100% unacceptable for any team nowadays to have anymore then 2 small forwards in their top 6, that is under 6 feet and under 190lbs

the same problem will once again for the 4th straight post-season cost us in the playoffs. we're so easy to out muscle and dont have the overwhelming skill to compensate for it

datsyuk and zetterberg should be our only small skilled top 6 forwards

everyone has to go
Meh, I disagree with both you and Babcock. What good is size if it can't get in on the forecheck and or create offense down low. Chicago isn't huge up front, not is Pittsburgh or Montreal. These teams all have outstanding speed and skill, dynamic players that can make a defense respect their quickness and skill. Over the past 4 years we've had Bertuzzi, Franzen, Homer, Cleary and Abs all in our top 6. We haven't been too small over that period, we've been too slow.
 

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its 100% unacceptable for any team nowadays to have anymore then 2 small forwards in their top 6, that is under 6 feet and under 190lbs

Good thing we don't have any, then.

What you're looking for is guys that play big, not guys that are big. Those, we do lack.
 

8snake

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Everyone in the Top 6 is at least 6' and a 190 lbs with the exception of Dats and Z who are " 5'11""

It's not a size issue. It's a lack of speed and execution.
Exactly. The Ducks pinched in their D all game to create sustained offensive zone time because there is no threat from Detroit to counter with odd man chances. Anaheim doesn't respect the Wings speed at all. Neither did the Preds last year.
 

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Nyquist should be on the PP instead of Brunstrom. He just makes poor decision after poor decision. Abdelkader really killed us with that stupid play but then again he's not a mental giant to begin with. We know how sensitive the NHL is to hits to the head no matter what part of the body hits the head. The old NHL with the shoulder to the head or whatever they considered clean doesn't apply anymore.
 

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Meh, I disagree with both you and Babcock. What good is size if it can't get in on the forecheck and or create offense down low. Chicago isn't huge up front, not is Pittsburgh or Montreal. These teams all have outstanding speed and skill, dynamic players that can make a defense respect their quickness and skill. Over the past 4 years we've had Bertuzzi, Franzen, Homer, Cleary and Abs all in our top 6. We haven't been too small over that period, we've been too slow.
agree

lack of speed and skill is the main problem. in top 6, and among F's generally, speed is a very important facilitator of physicality. helm is not big at all, but his speed let him hit more and harder.
 

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You can cherry pick the plays Howard wasn't a part of all you want but the bottom line 4 goals a game with 2 softies a game is not going to win very often .

And not scoring any goals in a game will never get you a win. But please, continue to blame Howard for working his ass off all night while Lashoff and Co. **** up consistently.
 

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When you have guys like Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, and Kronwall on your 5-on-3, it's unacceptable to have zero, nada, zilch scoring chances.
 

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Pretty decent breakdown of Gator's hit right here:



On nhl.com, it mentions the grounds for discipline is charging. But with the above video slowed down, he wasn't taking any strides, so how did they consider charging? And also, his skates were on the ice at the time of impact. No way the refs should have gone from no call to a 5 and game after they saw Lydman didn't get up right away.



How -- some crybaby walks us through his crying --

This is purely idiotic, hometeam drivel
 
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I don't think Gator's intention was to injure, but since his target moved at the last moment it messed Gator up. I'm still confused how its a charge since he didn't take any strides for a good while before hitting him. He'll probably get 2 games like Gryba (which was totally unwarranted and ridiculous that he was suspended).
 

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babcock is 100% right, we simply dont have enough size in our top 6, specifically size combined with skill and toughness, whereas the Ducks have at least 4 such guys

its 100% unacceptable for any team nowadays to have anymore then 2 small forwards in their top 6, that is under 6 feet and under 190lbs

the same problem will once again for the 4th straight post-season cost us in the playoffs. we're so easy to out muscle and dont have the overwhelming skill to compensate for it

datsyuk and zetterberg should be our only small skilled top 6 forwards

everyone has to go

What a load of bunk.:laugh:

We won the cup with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filppula in our top six.

While I would certainly take a skilled guy with size, I'd go with 4 smurfs in the top 6 if they had skill and speed.

The problem is that Datsyuk is aging, Zetterberg has lost another step (and is approaching Hudler like ability). Franzen is hit and miss. Flip has been a pretender all ytear.

And then our "heavy guys," Abdlekader and Cleary, aren't exactly "heavy" and aren't skilled or fast either.

The other problem is that our coach is a jackass.

How is that that Datsyuk never got a chance to skate with Brunner after the 6-7 game mark?

Franzen's most dynamic days came with Z as a center, so why does Babcock always fall back to Franzen-Datsyuk?

Abdelkader? Lashoff? Cleary? These are lineup decisions that make very little sense.



People think Raffi Torres is a *********. But he was available for a second round pick this year. And he actually has the skill top play in the top 6
 

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When you have guys like Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, and Kronwall on your 5-on-3, it's unacceptable to have zero, nada, zilch scoring chances.

Kindl should be the shooter on our top PP unit.
 

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And not scoring any goals in a game will never get you a win. But please, continue to blame Howard for working his ass off all night while Lashoff and Co. **** up consistently.

Howard isn't working his ass off?

He's ******** the bed.

If he let's in 1 or even two goals, the Wings have a chance to come back.

When it's 4-0? Forget it.

The 5-4 win for Detroit was a psychological victory for Anaheim, because it showed everyone on both teams that Howard can't hold a 3-goal lead.

Anyone remember LA vs Detroit in 2001?
Ozzie's last stand?
 

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