GDT: WCQF Game 3 | Anaheim @ Detroit | 7:30 PM EST | FSD / CNBC / TSN

[RedWingsNow*]

How is it that you know Howard's mindset?

I guess you just have to pay attention, have some experience watching hockey, and in dealing with human beings

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

I guess you just have to pay attention, have some experience watching hockey, and in dealing with human beings

So you're saying you don't know his mindset?

 

[RedWingsNow*]

So you're saying you don't know his mindset?

I don't know it specifically.

But whatever it is, it's not a good one

 

[JPE123]

Suter's the best d-man in the game so he'd make both our offense and defense better. With Parise at least he's not a chicken **** who's afraid to go to the front of the net and stay there. We got way too many fly by specialists in our top 6. Way too many of our goals against in this series have been from guys going to the front of the net. Our guys like to hang out in the soft areas of the ice. We're just a really soft team right now and Abby is too dumb to understand the line between good physical play and costing your team a game through your idiocy.

We play a very soft game. None of our fowards play tough consistently.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

we play a very soft game. None of our forwards players play tough consistently.

ftfy.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

ftfy.

ftfy?

 

[SoupNazi]

ftfy?

Fixed that for you.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Fixed that for you.

gotcha, thanks...

 

[Yemack]

I just watched post game press conference game 3

i totally agree with babcock about our PP. why dont we just throw it at the net? when we had all the PP, I was thinking to myself 'why the heck are we wasting a man in front of net? we know we never throw it at the net'

our euro hockey sometimes pisses me off because they want to play too much of precision hockey. I can see why it's sometimes so easy to defend our PP. Just block the lanes and then the puck is always on the outside. IMO accuracy is overrated in hockey. Sometimes, it's all about squeezing it through. At the VERY least, we gotta mix it up. We can't make their goalie and defence predict what we gonna do.

Here is what I would to see it happen. A guy carrying the puck skates behind the net, a defenceman follows him. As he is coming out of the net and looking to pass the puck to the point, everyone on ice anticipates the puck in going to the point and start adjusting. Then our forward throws it at the net. our net front guy bangs it in. I know, a regular PP goal in other teams game. But why dont we score these kind of goals? like ever?

It's ALWAYS in attacking team's favor when the puck is loose around the net.

A guy like Filppula should start adding this in his repertoire because he is as predictable as **** on PP.

 

[Flowah]

i totally agree with babcock about our PP. why dont we just throw it at the net? when we had all the PP, I was thinking to myself 'why the heck are we wasting a man in front of net? we know we never throw it at the net'

our euro hockey sometimes pisses me off because they want to play too much of precision hockey.

If we were playing Euro hockey, we wouldn't have a guy in front of the net and looking for only point shots. Euros love that fancy cross crease passing stuff.

That's the problem. We have a bunch of skilled Euros out on the PP, but our strategy is to not work it down low, not utilize their puck skills, and just try to feed Kronwall at the point for a shot and hope that Cleary/Franzen can tip/screen.

Kinda stupid.

A guy like Filppula should start adding this in his repertoire because he is as predictable as **** on PP.

Both our units are entirely predictable. "Attempt to retrieve, pass around the outside, get puck to point. Shoot. Repeat."

 

[Yemack]

If we were playing Euro hockey, we wouldn't have a guy in front of the net and looking for only point shots. Euros love that fancy cross crease passing stuff.

That's the problem. We have a bunch of skilled Euros out on the PP, but our strategy is to not work it down low, not utilize their puck skills, and just try to feed Kronwall at the point for a shot and hope that Cleary/Franzen can tip/screen.

Kinda stupid.

Both our units are entirely predictable. "Attempt to retrieve, pass around the outside, get puck to point. Shoot. Repeat."

that's exactly my point. you can't play predictable PP. Every Wings player wants to be Datsyuk and we can't be doing that. NHL defenders and goalies are too good and we dont have lidstrom rafalski back there anymore. Z is probably the only guy who does throw it at the net when noone's expecting.

Our PP killed us last game. (among many other things) We can't try the same precision passing anymore because it's already proven it does not work last game.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

How many Kings goals come from "throwing it on net."

 

[PullHard]

How many Kings goals come from "throwing it on net."

It is funny/ weird. It seems like every other team has success doing this, but Detroit very rarely benefits from doing it. The Wings just pad goalies stats when they try it.

 

[Frk It]

The Brunner giveaway on the man advantage really, really bothered me. Such a stupid decision, and really broke the team's back I thought.

 

[mukluks]

It is funny/ weird. It seems like every other team has success doing this, but Detroit very rarely benefits from doing it. The Wings just pad goalies stats when they try it.

We have no one who can one time the puck with any accuracy/velocity on a regular basis. Secondly, many teams mix up their pp with down low cross ice passes in ADDITION to the point shot, we only do the point shot which is easy to defend if it's the only play we run.

It's both a personal issue and a coaching issue imho.

 

[Frk It]

We have no one who can one time the puck with any accuracy/velocity on a regular basis.

Absolutely. Also the lack of a legit right-handed one timer on our PP makes it so the D only has to contain one side of the ice. Brunner has a nice wrist shot but he can't really tee off on a one timer. Even on the right side none of our lefties can hit a big one T. Zetterberg used to but now when he hits a one T I'm scared his back is going to give out every time.

 

[HIFE]

I agree with the comments about the PP. A PP should be an opportunity to crowd the slot and get like 5-10 shots. It is a problem that some of our guys are so experienced they want a perfect set up instead of possibly a poor shot rebounded out of the zone. But with an extra man we should be able to retrieve it and try again.

As said earlier in the thread we don't have a threatening point shot. The Wings, who partially innovated feeding the point, are stuck in the past. It's difficult because years ago they (Dats, Z, Lids, Homer) made it look so easy. The NHL has evolved quickly and all the teams are studying/copying each other. Not to mention shot blocking. I don't think it's all on the coaches, the players need to input ideas they know can work.

Interesting post about "one-timers." True we don't see them enough (ala Iginla) on the Wings but several players are able. Brunner has a wicked one timer, Eaves had one his last goal. Franzen, Z, most our D do let them off but yea they aren't that spectacular. Brunner is our best chance for that shot. Not from the point but lower, above/below the dot.

 

[14ari13]

this team is not mentally tough. they died after the abdelkader penalty. kronwall and ericsson let the ducks get behind them twice in the 1st couple minutes of the penalty kill and kronwall was playing awful to begin with. the whole team became fragile and frustrated, not just howard.

I do not think the team died after the Abby penalty. They killed off over 4 min and they played on. Goal 2 and 3 were backbreaking goals, rookie mistakes Brunner and Lashoff (Howard)

that's exactly my point. you can't play predictable PP. Every Wings player wants to be Datsyuk and we can't be doing that. NHL defenders and goalies are too good and we dont have lidstrom rafalski back there anymore. Z is probably the only guy who does throw it at the net when noone's expecting.

Our PP killed us last game. (among many other things) We can't try the same precision passing anymore because it's already proven it does not work last game.

I too think our PP lost us the game. 1st could not score 5 on 3 and then allowed a SH in the 3rd. That was the game.

The Brunner giveaway on the man advantage really, really bothered me. Such a stupid decision, and really broke the team's back I thought.

It has been pointed out several times that Brunner should play down low, but Babcock ...

 

[HIFE]

I do not think the team died after the Abby penalty. They killed off over 4 min and they played on. Goal 2 and 3 were backbreaking goals, rookie mistakes Brunner and Lashoff (Howard)....

All 4 goals were just pathetic. Busch league mistakes. The 1st goal was the game winner, terribly blown coverage by Kronner and Ericsson. The worse misread was by big E and then poor Andersson floated in a second late.

Lashoff and Smith were horrible on the 4th goal, especially Smith. Guess who was wandering in the crease again that goal, Andersson.

The Wings had some fine opportunities, played descent, and up to almost the 2nd half of the 3rd we were down only a goal. We know PO games are going to be this tight, so mistakes like Saturday night cannot happen.

 

[14ari13]

All 4 goals were just pathetic. Busch league mistakes. The 1st goal was the game winner, terribly blown coverage by Kronner and Ericsson. The worse misread was by big E and then poor Andersson floated in a second late.

Lashoff and Smith were horrible on the 4th goal, especially Smith. Guess who was wandering in the crease again that goal, Andersson.

The Wings had some fine opportunities, played descent, and up to almost the 2nd half of the 3rd we were down only a goal. We know PO games are going to be this tight, so mistakes like Saturday night cannot happen.

We have many rookies/young players and this is their 1st playoff experience. We have to live with their mistakes. This game reminds me a lot of the 7-1 loss to Hawks, When they wantet to do too much.