Not even close.
The Wings outplayed the Yotes. The Yotes played well. But the Wings were better.
Howard barely outplayed Bryzgalov that series. And most Wings fans understand how poorly Bryzgalov played against us
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Not even close.
The Wings outplayed the Yotes. The Yotes played well. But the Wings were better.
Howard barely outplayed Bryzgalov that series. And most Wings fans understand how poorly Bryzgalov played against us
ArGarBarGar
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The Wings did not drastically outplay the Yotes in that series. Not even close.
So you're hanging your cowboy hat on a 7 game series during which Jimmy gave up 4 or more goals in 3 games.
BRAVO to the playoff warrior!
Red Wings outshot Phx by 37 that series. Pretty healthy advantage.
If I remember right, some Wings fans were upset that Ozzie wasn't called in.
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ArGarBarGar
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So you're hanging your cowboy hat on a 7 game series during which Jimmy gave up 4 or more goals in 3 games.
BRAVO to the playoff warrior!
No, I'm just disagreeing with your idea that Howard never won a series that Detroit didn't drastically outplay the opposition.
Don't make hyperbolic generalizations if you are going to get defensive when called out on them.
That's been the criticism of every championship level goaltender... until they finally win.
This is only Howard's 4th playoffs and his career numbers are actually pretty good... better than Ed Belfour's first 4 playoffs, if that helps put some perspective on things.
This post is absurd coming from someone complaining about others' "critical thinking skills."
You're literally making things up.
You don't know who "THEY IS."
You consider anyone who criticizes as "THEY," and therefore, your criticism is ridiculously absurd.
We have some people who thought we were going to beat the Ducks. And many of them were upset because they believed the Wings didn't put forth a great effort.
We also have some people who thought the Wings were a bubbled playoff team who would probably lose in round 1.
These two groups ARE NOT the same "THEY," for the most part.
Try to not mock a post when you can't see how my statement points out the irony. Perhaps you are THEY and are a bit offended because you can't seem to grasp a simple concept.
I'll try to crayola the point for you: Some people on this board (THEY know who they are, I'm not going to quote every single person, do you expect someone to do something that tedious?)
Some talked about how the Wings would be a draft lotto team, or mediocre. IF those fans believed that, then why should they be so upset about us losing a game to the 3rd best team in the league, on their ice, after travel? By their standards the team should be considered to have over achieved.
How do you have a team you think sucks and then ***** about them losing to a team ranked higher than them. It makes no sense..... Is that a simple enough break down for you?
I disagree, a large majority didn't think they would even make the playoffs. Go look through some of the older threads. With your we can play better statement I'm sure Ducks fans are saying the same thing. Effort wasn't the issue it was bad decisions, in my opinion. But if you haven't noticed by now it because an argument of semantics.
I'm not asking Howard to win the cup.
I'm asking for him to win a series.
This series is an example of one Jimmy can win for Detroit.
Same with Nashville.
Same with SJ (x2).
He's not done it.
Detroit has to outplay their opponents to win.
IMO, a $5M a year goalie needs to come up big every once in awhile in the post season.
Until Jimmy proves otherwise, he's a goalie who's just good enough to lose, in my book.
I think lots of the more jaded fans got their hopes up with the Wings play going into the playoffs.
But hey, better to have loved and lost than to lead a horse to water. That's how the saying goes, right?
Like I said, that was the same knock on Belfour until he won on a stacked team. People questioned if he was even the answer for Dallas, given his playoff failures.
Jimmy isn't Belfour, but it's important to keep in mind that Jimmy can't score goals and that's been a pretty big problem for the Wings in recent playoffs.
Really. A "large majority."
Hahaha. It's always incredible to me what people can delude themselves into believing. You actually think not just a majority, but a "large majority" of the people here thought the Wings would miss entirely.
Am I complaining they lost last night? I predicted they'd lose in 5, I think. I don't think they played bad last night. Both teams got a garbage goal. They got a goal from a sniper. We don't have a sniper. They're goalie stopped our shots. Our goalie didn't.
Once again, you're TREATING all CRITICISMS like they come from the same people
They don't.
Flowah called you on it.
And so did I.
So don't get all high and mighty about "critical thinking" while posting rubbish like that.
Yeah, most didn't believe they'd miss. But most thought they'd be a bubble team. So most people weren't going to be surprised if they missed, but perhaps didn't expect them to miss.
Regardless, negative impressions stick in the brain longer. That's where a lot of that generalization comes from.
Like I've been saying -- PEOPLE are literally making up ********, ascribing that BS to "THEY" or "PEOPLE" or "LARGE MAJORITY" -- and then slamming fictional people for fake opinions
Like I've been saying -- PEOPLE are literally making up ********, ascribing that BS to "THEY" or "PEOPLE" or "LARGE MAJORITY" -- and then slamming fictional people for fake opinions
I wouldn't worry about it. It's a pretty "small minority" of folks doing this.
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I guess I don't understand your point then. Would it be nice if Jimmy stole a series we had no business winning? Of course it would. Is he a bad goalie if he doesn't? No, and clearly you don't think this is the case either. So what's left? You just don't like his 6 years? Is there another goalie we could realistically have in his place for the same contract who WOULD steal a series that he couldn't? Or would you just keep everything the same but shave a year or two off his contract? Or is the important thing to you simply that you think people should praise Jimmy a little less than they do? Do you just want us to stop saying how great Jimmy played every time he loses a game that he played well in, but could have conceivably stole?
To summarize: What's your point?
meh.....
i am the most pessimistic guys around here i guess. but even i didnt expect the wings to fail the playoffs.
so how can the majority think that?
if you ask me they can fire holland and all player but howard, datsyuk and zetta. but i would never expect a team with this 3 guys in to miss the playoffs. would mean there are 8 better teams in the west (east next year). so tell me 8 teams with a better goalie and nr1 and nr2 center. i dont see many team in the league. so no playoff fail for us as.
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There's a few folks who have very consistently beat the drum that Howard can't get it done in the playoffs, and subsequently, does not deserve to be signed long term.
How you view that situation depends entirely if you think the Wings have done anything to help him at all.
I'm of the opinion he's not a Lundqvist, but hey, he's good enough if the team can actually score more than 1 goal.
Howard played good, the rest of the team did not. 5 even strength shots in the first two periods is not going to cut it.
Pretty much. Best case scenario Howard pushes the game to overtime but they still have to find a way to consistently generate more offense. The Ducks, when on attack, had better chances and the score ultimately reflected that.
This was my biggest fear going into the playoffs: lack of offense. And I'm not sure there's a way to fix it for the time being.
JmanWingsFan
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Everyone else is critical of how the Wings weren't scoring goals or moving the puck well. I come on here and find that some people are complaining that Jimmy Howard didn't get a shutout and thus is not clutch or whatever BS this is. I'll let you in on a little secret: If you don't score more than one goal a game, chances are you'll never win a playoff series even if Patrick Roy was your goaltender.
Run the Jewels
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All you need to do is look at our record during April to see we are not a good hockey team. We beat ONE playoff team in April: the LA Kings on April 24th.
We only had 3 wins against playoff teams in March.
All told 10 of our 24 wins came against playoff-caliber teams. We had our worst home record since the Dead Wings era.
The roster just isn't where it needs to be in order to compete with the best teams in the league. We will need Jimmy to stand on his head to have any shot at being competitive in this series.
We only had 3 wins against playoff teams in March.
All told 10 of our 24 wins came against playoff-caliber teams. We had our worst home record since the Dead Wings era.
The roster just isn't where it needs to be in order to compete with the best teams in the league. We will need Jimmy to stand on his head to have any shot at being competitive in this series.
Like I've been saying -- PEOPLE are literally making up ********, ascribing that BS to "THEY" or "PEOPLE" or "LARGE MAJORITY" -- and then slamming fictional people for fake opinions
If they were slamming fictional people it'd be one thing.
They actually think some of the real people here believe that crap.
iirc, that win vs LAK was LAK's 2nd game in less than 24 hours.
i don't think tougher opposition was the only reason for mediocrity in game 1, though.
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