Prospect Info: Washington Capitals 2013 Prospect Poll #11

[Langway]

1. LW Evgeni Kuznetsov
2. RW Tom Wilson
3. LW Andre Burakovsky
4. G Philipp Grubauer
5. RW Riley Barber
6. D Madison Bowey
7. D Tomas Kundratek
8. D Nate Schmidt
9. C Michael Latta
10.D Connor Carrick

Rissling added.

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[Hivemind]

Wey. Add a random 2013 draftee. Pinho I guess.

 

[Liberati0n*]

Galiev. Add Flemming. Do these usually go to 15 or 20?

 

[ChibiPooky]

Schilling, add Kostenko. I say we should go until either the season starts or we run out of prospects.

 

[Langway]

Galiev. Add Flemming. Do these usually go to 15 or 20?

We haven't gone to 20 since 2010 but that was the standard up until then. There hasn't really been enough organizational depth to do so the past few years since so many picks were moved for rentals. I think we can plausibly put together a top 20 now, though that only excludes about nine prospects or so.

Add Pinho.

 

[Hivemind]

Personally, I don't see much value beyond #15. After that it's all longshots.

 

[Langway]

Laich, Holtby, Eakin & Beagle were all voted between 16-20 at various points. More on that later.

 

[Liberati0n*]

Personally, I don't see much value beyond #15. After that it's all longshots.

Among the guys listed for this poll, I think Galiev, Wey, Schilling, Sanford, Djoos, Stephenson, DiPauli, and Mitchell all deserve to be ranked. That would take the total to 18. I know when I look at the 20th-ranked guy on a team's list, I think of him as a longshot (or worse).

 

[Caser]

Galiev, add Kostenko

 

[SashaSemin28]

This is going to sound like a broken record, but here goes.

Galiev
Add Kostenko

 

[Dr John Carlson]

Wey, add Pinho

 

[Hivemind]

What have either Galiev or Kostenko done to be worthy of votes here? Other than being Russian, that is.

Galiev couldn't get it done in the AHL, and is battling against players who lived up to their job in the AHL (Schilling) and NCAA (Wey). Maybe Galiev improves this season and puts himself back into the conversation, but I don't see how he could be ranked ahead of Wey or Schilling after the season he just had.

Kostenko saw hardly any playing time and was far from convincing in the few ECHL games he did play in. Even Brandon Anderson had better numbers than Kostenko for Reading. Not to mention that he was already 20, despite being a 2012 draft pick. Grubauer is only 9 months older, and was miles ahead of Kostenko. Really don't see how you could be voting to add Kostenko over any of the 2013 draft picks.

 

[Liberati0n*]

What have either Galiev or Kostenko done to be worthy of votes here? Other than being Russian, that is.

Galiev couldn't get it done in the AHL, and is battling against players who lived up to their job in the AHL (Schilling) and NCAA (Wey). Maybe Galiev improves this season and puts himself back into the conversation, but I don't see how he could be ranked ahead of Wey or Schilling after the season he just had.

Kostenko saw hardly any playing time and was far from convincing in the few ECHL games he did play in. Even Brandon Anderson had better numbers than Kostenko for Reading. Not to mention that he was already 20, despite being a 2012 draft pick. Grubauer is only 9 months older, and was miles ahead of Kostenko. Really don't see how you could be voting to add Kostenko over any of the 2013 draft picks.

No argument on Kostenko, but we're rating their (apparent) ability/potential, not their achievements or recent production (although these things obviously have a significant impact on how players are perceived). Galiev has fallen significantly from last year, but his ability hasn't changed. He was a point-per-game player in the ECHL. This season is the one after which we can start to write him off if he doesn't step up.

 

[Langway]

Board poll results over the years:

Yr|#|Prospect|Yr|#|Prospect|Yr|#|Prospect|+/-|Yr|#|Prospect|+/-|Yr|#|Prospect|+/-|Yr|#|Prospect|+/-|Yr|#|Prospect|+/-|Year|#|Prospect|+/-|Year|#|Prospect|+/-
'04 |1| Ovechkin | '06 |1| Backstrom | '07 |1|Backstrom| - | '08 |1|Alzner| +2 | '09 |1|Varlamov| +1 | '10 |1|Carlson| +2 | '11 |1|Kuznetsov| +5 | '12 |1|Kuznetsov| - | '13 |1|Kuznetsov| -
|2|Semin||2|Semin||2|Fehr| +2 ||2|Varlamov| +2 ||2|Alzner| -1 ||2|Alzner| - ||2|Holtby| +6 ||2|Holtby| - ||2|Wilson| +4
|3|Ouellet||3|Green||3| Alzner | NR ||3|Fehr| -1 ||3|Carlson| +3 ||3|Varlamov| -2 ||3|Orlov| +4 ||3| Forsberg | NR ||3| Burakovsky | NR
|4|Fehr||4|Fehr||4|Varlamov| +2 ||4|Lepisto| NR ||4|Neuvirth| +4 ||4|Neuvirth| - ||4|Eakin| +6 ||4|Orlov| -1 ||4|Grubauer| +5
|5|Eminger||5|Fleischmann||5|Schultz| +3 ||5| Gustafsson | NR ||5|Bourque| +7 ||5|MJohansson| +3 ||5|Galiev| +6 ||5|Galiev| - ||5|Barber| +11
|6|Morrisonn||6| Varlamov ||6|Bouchard| +11 ||6| Carlson | NR ||6|Osala| +1 ||6| Kuznetsov | NR ||6|Sjogren| NR ||6| Wilson | NR ||6| Bowey | NR
|7|Aulin||7|Pokulok||7|Fleischmann| -2 ||7|Osala| NR ||7| Orlov | NR ||7|Orlov| - ||7|Wey| +7 ||7|Wey| - ||7|Kundratek| +3
|8|Klepis||8|Schultz||8|Neuvirth| +7 ||8|Neuvirth| - ||8| MJohansson | NR ||8|Holtby| +4 ||8|Flemming| NR ||8|Schilling| NR ||8|Schmidt| NR
|9| Green ||9|Bourque||9|Finley| +2 ||9|Bouchard| -3 ||9|Gustafsson| -4 ||9|Perreault| +2 ||9|McNeill| +9 ||9|Grubauer| +1 ||9|Latta| NR
|10|Sutherby||10|Lepisto||10|Perreault| NR ||10|Godfrey| NR ||10|Kugryshev| +5 ||10|Eakin| +8 ||10|Grubauer| +5 ||10|Kundratek| NR ||10|Carrick| +4
|11|BGordon||11|Finley||11||||11|AGordon| NR ||11|Perreault| +3 ||11| Galiev | NR ||11|Kugryshev| +2 ||11|Herbert| NR ||11|Galiev| -6
|12|Daigneault||12|McNeill||12||||12|Bourque| NR ||12|Holtby| +8 ||12|AGordon| +3 ||12| Soberg | NR ||12|Flemming| -4 ||12|
|13|Fleischmann||13|Klepis||13||||13|Finley| -4 ||13|Della Rovere| NR ||13|Kugryshev| -3 ||13||||13|Sjogren| -7 ||13|
|14|JJohansson||14| Osala ||14||||14|Perreault| -4 ||14|Bouchard| -5 ||14|Wey| +6 ||14||||14| Carrick | NR ||14|
|15|Yonkman||15| Neuvirth ||15||||15| Kugryshev | NR ||15|AGordon| -4 ||15| Grubauer | NR ||15||||15| Stephenson | NR ||15|
|16|Laich||16|Dovgan||16||||16|Machesney| NR ||16|Finley| -3 ||16|Gustafsson| -7 ||16||||16| Barber | NR ||16|
|17|||17| Bouchard ||17||||17|Dovgan| NR ||17|Broda| NR ||17|Bouchard| -3 ||17||||17||||17|
|18|||18|Werner||18||||18|Pokulok| NR ||18| Eakin | NR ||18|McNeill| NR ||18||||18||||18|
|19|||19| Seabrook ||19||||19| Mestery | NR ||19|Godfrey| -9 ||19|Finley| -3 ||19||||19||||19|
|20|||20| Lynes ||20||||20| Holtby | NR ||20| Wey | NR ||20|Beagle| NR ||20||||20||||20|

Notes:

- Klepis!
- Italicized are shiny new picks that year.
- The '05 first round picks were so depressing I guess it sunk that year's poll.
- Alzner wasn't included in '09 while still technically being eligible so he was added. Guesswork on my part where he would have ranked but he was likely at least behind Varlamov at the time coming off of Varlamov's '09 NHL playoffs. Maybe Carlson as well but debatable.
- Orlov was included in last year's poll but later removed from the rankings. He was still eligible and has been added where he was initially voted.
- I haven't gone through the rankings entirely to see if there are other mistaken graduates left off or rightful ones included.
- Varlamov, Neuvirth, Holtby, Finley, Bouchard & (eventually) Wey each appear 5x.

 

[SimplySensational]

Ouellet wow... As soon as the Caps changed to Hershey, within 3 years he couldn't even cut it in the ECHL after being dominant.

 

[Hivemind]

No argument on Kostenko, but we're rating their (apparent) ability/potential, not their achievements or recent production (although these things obviously have a significant impact on how players are perceived). Galiev has fallen significantly from last year, but his ability hasn't changed. He was a point-per-game player in the ECHL. This season is the one after which we can start to write him off if he doesn't step up.

I'm not writing him off, I just don't see how you can rank him ahead of prospects who played at their expected levels (and weren't very far behind him in the rankings even before that). Schilling and Wey didn't regress, Galiev did.

 

[Liberati0n*]

I'm not writing him off, I just don't see how you can rank him ahead of prospects who played at their expected levels (and weren't very far behind him in the rankings even before that). Schilling and Wey didn't regress, Galiev did.

Galiev's upside is higher. I debated voting for them (behind Carrick) over Galiev, but he can still be legitimately projected as a top-six NHL forward, whereas Schilling and Wey both project as depth defenseman at best.

 

[msrulo]

Galiev's upside is higher. I debated voting for them (behind Carrick) over Galiev, but he can still be legitimately projected as a top-six NHL forward, whereas Schilling and Wey both project as depth defenseman at best.

Galiev as a top 6 NHL forward? He couldn't help the bottom 6 in Hershey.

 

[Liberati0n*]

Galiev as a top 6 NHL forward? He couldn't help the bottom 6 in Hershey.

He's not suited for a bottom-six role anywhere.

 

[brs03]

And it's fair to question whether French had all that much interest in giving him a chance to develop, though I don't know if I'd blame him since the team needed every win it could get.

 

[bags92]

Schilling, and Lewington.

 

[msrulo]

And it's fair to question whether French had all that much interest in giving him a chance to develop, though I don't know if I'd blame him since the team needed every win it could get.

No excuses. I'd put Wey or Mitchell above Galiev. At least they will play for Hershey.