News Article: Video games a growing concern for Canadiens' top scout Trevor Timmins

[Habs]

As if that turd Jeff Marek knows anything, he's such a hack. Nobody talks to him, Friedman or any one of those clowns. Bobby mack is the only one who has an ounce of credibility, the rest just make it up as they go.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Bergevin's bias against video games grows stronger... first it was how the NHL wasn't playstation.. now this ? When will his crusade against millenials end ?

Here’s Timmins, Bergevin & Molson trying to play a video game.

 

[Paddyjack]

Bergevin's bias against video games grows stronger... first it was how the NHL wasn't playstation.. now this ? When will his crusade against millenials end ?

Bergevin's beef with videogames probably comes from the fact that every trade he makes in the NHL is rejected by all the hockey simulation games when tested

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I guess that's good news for Juolevi & Vancouver, although I'm not sure I believe anything Marek says.

Still, this article is in response to that article.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

I'd put a ton of money on it being German Rubtsov. 1st rounder with good pedigree, look at dem stats:

German Rubtsov hockey statistics and profile at hockeydb.com

 

[Habs Icing]

I'd rather these guys play video games than go to bars. No one was ever arrested playing games at 2 am.

I wasn't but my development was.

 

[Habs Icing]

Here’s Timmins, Bergevin & Molson trying to play a video game.

They're better than I thought.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Not on this site, but elsewhere (Twitter) he was named as the player. Apparently, he had a bit of an up and down year and was in and out of the line-up. The club is working with him on it.

No, Jim Benning specifically stated that Juolevi was not the player.

 

[Kriss E]

yeah you could... but that probably doesn't happen as much. I'm sure a lot of kids spend the night baking pies.

Whatever they are into. It's a hobby, it could be stamp collection for all that matters. It's a hobby they love.
If they love studying chemistry, wow..smart kid, but then maybe that passion takes over hockey and the kid prefers becoming the next Mendeleev or Walter White than a hockey player.

Just when I think this organization cannot be more old school...they do this.

Timmins really disappoints me on this one.

 

[ngc_5128]

Yawn. You could say the same thing about players staying up too late reading. Or watching Netflix. Or playing Tiddly Winks. Or baking pies. Or...

Whatever they are into. It's a hobby, it could be stamp collection for all that matters. It's a hobby they love.
If they love studying chemistry, wow..smart kid, but then maybe that passion takes over hockey and the kid prefers becoming the next Mendeleev or Walter White than a hockey player.

Just when I think this organization cannot be more old school...they do this.

Timmins really disappoints me on this one.

While playing video games is a hobby to many, Video Game addiction is a serious issue that can potentially ruin your life. Much like how most people can have a drink or two each week, or have a little fun on the weekend with some hard drugs without developing a serious substance abuse problem. There is a huge gulf between playing games as a hobby and being addicted. You wouldn't tell someone who was suffering a serious depression to "just cheer up!" or someone with alcoholism to "just stop drinking!". You can't tell someone with a serious addiction to video games to "just put the controller down!". I know this is just a forum and posts are made for laughs, but trivializing serious issues like this is not funny. When organizations like CAMH, WHO, and APA take this seriously, so should everyone else.

Entirely separate from the human aspects of this is the issue that NHL teams would have with these young kids playing video games is less about them being old men yelling at clouds because they don't understand Fortnite, but more because they are investing millions of dollars in these top picks and don't want to waste a 1st rounder on someone who is addicted to video games. If someone says they play a lot of games, they are going to look into it and make sure it isn't serious, just like if they said they liked to party and have a good time, they want to make sure they aren't having too much of a good time. The money they dump into their top picks is far too much to pick a player that will throw their career away for any reason. This all sounds like normal due diligence to me.

 

[Kriss E]

While playing video games is a hobby to many, Video Game addiction is a serious issue that can potentially ruin your life. Much like how most people can have a drink or two each week, or have a little fun on the weekend with some hard drugs without developing a serious substance abuse problem. There is a huge gulf between playing games as a hobby and being addicted. You wouldn't tell someone who was suffering a serious depression to "just cheer up!" or someone with alcoholism to "just stop drinking!". You can't tell someone with a serious addiction to video games to "just put the controller down!". I know this is just a forum and posts are made for laughs, but trivializing serious issues like this is not funny. When organizations like CAMH, WHO, and APA take this seriously, so should everyone else.

Entirely separate from the human aspects of this is the issue that NHL teams would have with these young kids playing video games is less about them being old men yelling at clouds because they don't understand Fortnite, but more because they are investing millions of dollars in these top picks and don't want to waste a 1st rounder on someone who is addicted to video games. If someone says they play a lot of games, they are going to look into it and make sure it isn't serious, just like if they said they liked to party and have a good time, they want to make sure they aren't having too much of a good time. The money they dump into their top picks is far too much to pick a player that will throw their career away for any reason. This all sounds like normal due diligence to me.

If someone has problems with addiction, it's an entirely different issue.
That is a far cry from suggesting writing "playing video games" under a hobby is a red flag.

 

[Laurentide]

What are kids into these days? Cake-pops? Mini-cupcakes?

Tide pods, I believe.

 

[Laurentide]

I don't know what the Habs' problem with video games is. According to Bergevin that's the best place to get a deal on a center.

 

[tazsub3]

seriously, we need to eliminate all those gamers from our draft pool and go back to what worked.
we need to go back to drafting players whose hobbies include horing and Drinking...

Maybe we end up with a chelios, or a corson

 

[Mike Mike Caron]

If someone has problems with addiction, it's an entirely different issue.
That is a far cry from suggesting writing "playing video games" under a hobby is a red flag.

He didn't say it's a red flag so they won't draft him, he said they'll look into it with him before drafting.

I don't think it would be wise for the org to not question the prospects about their habits like you guys suggest.

 

[Laurentide]

A psychological profile in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing. Timmins should either enroll for a psych degree at college or just stop reading these assessments because he's not qualified to evaluate them. How about selecting players based on their ability to play hockey instead? I don't care if a kid is the next Hitler as long as he can score 40 goals every year.

 

[tazsub3]

A psychological profile in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing. Timmins should either enroll for a psych degree at college or just stop reading these assessments because he's not qualified to evaluate them. How about selecting players based on their ability to play hockey instead? I don't care if a kid is the next Hitler as long as he can score 40 goals every year.

You are correct, i think this franchise recent failure is a direct result of the word over.... Over analysis and over coaching.....
And incompetence. but will save that for another thread

 

[ngc_5128]

If someone has problems with addiction, it's an entirely different issue.
That is a far cry from suggesting writing "playing video games" under a hobby is a red flag.

...which is why they do their research on players. They didn't say they wouldn't draft kids that play video games.

I’m not saying video games are a bad thing. It’s just if they’re not getting enough rest and recuperation then it becomes a problem.

 

[Ozmodiar]

If someone has problems with addiction, it's an entirely different issue.
That is a far cry from suggesting writing "playing video games" under a hobby is a red flag.

In most cases, it's 'a far cry' from red flag to worst case scenario.
In this case, it's just something the team has to incorporate into their due diligence, along with a boatload of other things.

 

[NotProkofievian]

A psychological profile in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing. Timmins should either enroll for a psych degree at college or just stop reading these assessments because he's not qualified to evaluate them. How about selecting players based on their ability to play hockey instead? I don't care if a kid is the next Hitler as long as he can score 40 goals every year.

From what I understood, they have a doctor of psychology at UNB who both designed the test, is there during the administration of the test, and interprets its results.

 

[Kriss E]

In most cases, it's 'a far cry' from red flag to worst case scenario.
In this case, it's just something the team has to incorporate into their due diligence, along with a boatload of other things.

I think it's BS.

 

[Kriss E]

...which is why they do their research on players. They didn't say they wouldn't draft kids that play video games.

They said it's a red flag. It isn't. Killing frogs under hobby would be a red flag. Couting the number of tiles on the wall, that's a red flag.
Playing video game is extremely normal, unless you have an extremely lame and old school ideology.

 

[Kriss E]

He didn't say it's a red flag so they won't draft him, he said they'll look into it with him before drafting.

I don't think it would be wise for the org to not question the prospects about their habits like you guys suggest.

Did they mention any other hobby specifically that they need to look into?

 

[Sined]

They should also avoid players who enjoy, movies, books and television.

 

[Laurentide]

From what I understood, they have a doctor of psychology at UNB who both designed the test, is there during the administration of the test, and interprets its results.

So the guy who designed the test gets to administer and evaluate it? That's a red flag for me. As the author of the test it's in his best interests to try and legitimize its efficacy. How qualified is he? Has this test undergone any vetting by other professors in the field? Is it scientifically rigorous enough to be peer reviewed? When did UNB become a world leader in anything but the proper wearing of flannel shirts?

And most important of all: can this test measure "attitude"?